Can GT5 outsell Halo Reach with a good amount of bundling by 2014?

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NiKKoM on 23 July 2011

RolStoppable said:

dsage01 said:

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But if you just talk about racing games in general that honor belongs to the Mario Kart series 80.81 million vs.61.49 million copies sold.

LOL Mario Kart wouldn't be that much without all those bundles. Half of the series is sold from bundles

That's most certainly wrong. At most Mario Kart had as many sales through bundles as Gran Turismo.

I think he means the bundle with the Wii Wheel... >_>

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dsage01 on 23 July 2011

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No GT is still a bigger franchise than Halo. Both of them are huge franchises but look at it this way. Compare the marketing campaign for GT5 and Halo Reach. Then count how many times GT5 has been delayed causing dissapointed fans. Most gamers didn't even know when GT5 was releasing in North America. Now compare the metascore of both of the games. And think back which one had more competition. The only advantage GT had was it being released in holiday season but that too with plenty of competition killing the NA sales. Despite all that I'm amazed GT5 has crossed 5 million. But within 6 weeks they shipped 6.37 million. Do you think if Halo Reach was delyayed a countless amount of times got a 84 meta

That just comes off as your chosen interpretation, metascore ect don't have that much of an impact, not to mention this is the first big GT game of the gen and Reach was the second, as was a prequal .... yet it's what, 2 mill ahead? Halo is bigger than GT as of today.

I kind of doubt that. I think Halo is turning into COD with one year life span's. As of today I think there both on the same level. One GT vs one Halo doesn't really make much of a difference. I think without bundles the sales will look like this. I think your forgeting about the long term GT legs. Most people keep going on and saying GT5 is showing to have no legs. Long term legs means the kind of legs GTA 4 has. It's still selling 10-15k a week on average just on one console. Believe me by 2013 or 2014 Halo Reach and GT5 sales will be the same. And I'm still expecting another sales update for GT5, God of War 3 and BO both PS3 and 360 versions. But it doesn't matter at the end of the day they are both great games of grat franchises

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dsage01 on 23 July 2011

RolStoppable said:

NiKKoM said:

RolStoppable said:

That's most certainly wrong. At most Mario Kart had as many sales through bundles as Gran Turismo.

I think he means the bundle with the Wii Wheel... >_>

The scary thing is that you could very well be right.

The only reason Mario Kart is in the top 40 is because of those bundles. Or else it would come in the top 10 of NPD almost every month or be one of the best selling games according to NPD. But it's not. It could be the Wii Wheel I don't know but it got a whole bunch of it's sales from bundles

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Lyrikalstylez on 23 July 2011

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My point is that look like people here have a fixation for this game, and how much in the far future it will sell.

I can`t undertant why this game is so important. None of my friends that have PS3 cares for this game. They prefer FIFA, PES, Naruto NS, Motal Kombat or Street Fighter. And my friends that have only Xbox 360 (like myself) would like to play Uncharted, God of War and Killzone.

This is the only game forum that I see such a passion for GT5.

I know it might sound stupid but certain individuals want GT5 to outsell Halo so they can brag it about or reassure themselves that the franchise is far from declining.

couldn't have said it any better......As I recall I estimated around 7 million life time which is currently about right, compared to other "certain users who where claiming +10 million life time sold *chuckles*

I Dont care anyways

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mendozahotness on 23 July 2011

They're still bundling GT5 in Australia and Europe. The franchise is weak. Let it go.

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yo_john117 on 23 July 2011

enrageorange said:

dsage01 said:

Seece said:
Yeah possibly, does it matter though? It wouldn't exactly signify anything of importance being ahead of Halo would it. Not if it had to be heavily bundled to get there.

It sold 6.4 million with pretty much no bundles. Isn't that any achivement already? Halo Reach is more bundleld than GT5 as of now so in that case Halo Reach already has a head start.

GT as a franchise has been bundled far far more than mario kart XD...

You keep posting halo reach is more bundled than gt5, but aren't giving us any proof to that statement. Saying something wrong a million times doesn't magically make it right.

As for some more GT5 bundles. There are already some posted and here are a few in the uk. =) And these UK GT5 bundles aren't limited edition ones with a higher price than normal. Seems like even with bundling GT5 can't outsell halo reach weekly.

http://ps3.uk.net/ps3slim320gbgranturismo5

Heres one for mainland Europe

http://www.gamestop.ie/36128_PlayStation_3_PS3_320GB_GT5_Bundle.aspx

Are these bundles why GT5 all of a sudden started to sell better every week then it was about a month or two ago?

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Seece on 23 July 2011

dsage01 said:

Seece said:

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No GT is still a bigger franchise than Halo. Both of them are huge franchises but look at it this way. Compare the marketing campaign for GT5 and Halo Reach. Then count how many times GT5 has been delayed causing dissapointed fans. Most gamers didn't even know when GT5 was releasing in North America. Now compare the metascore of both of the games. And think back which one had more competition. The only advantage GT had was it being released in holiday season but that too with plenty of competition killing the NA sales. Despite all that I'm amazed GT5 has crossed 5 million. But within 6 weeks they shipped 6.37 million. Do you think if Halo Reach was delyayed a countless amount of times got a 84 meta

That just comes off as your chosen interpretation, metascore ect don't have that much of an impact, not to mention this is the first big GT game of the gen and Reach was the second, as was a prequal .... yet it's what, 2 mill ahead? Halo is bigger than GT as of today.

I kind of doubt that. I think Halo is turning into COD with one year life span's. As of today I think there both on the same level. One GT vs one Halo doesn't really make much of a difference. I think without bundles the sales will look like this. I think your forgeting about the long term GT legs. Most people keep going on and saying GT5 is showing to have no legs. Long term legs means the kind of legs GTA 4 has. It's still selling 10-15k a week on average just on one console. Believe me by 2013 or 2014 Halo Reach and GT5 sales will be the same. And I'm still expecting another sales update for GT5, God of War 3 and BO both PS3 and 360 versions. But it doesn't matter at the end of the day they are both great games of grat franchises

Halo main games will get back into 3 year cycles after 4, it was only possible to do Halo 4 2 years after Reach because of different dev studios. The only thing you CAN judge them on is the games latest sales, and given there has only been one GT game this gen that's all we have to judge how big the franchise is VS Halo these days. I'm sure GT will have great legs, but Halo has good legs as well. But without bundling I doubt they will be the same come 2013, you should check out what Halo Reach is selling now.

Your sales update for GT5 might turn out that we're overtracking it (as well as spot on or under) so don't assume that's a pro in GT's court!

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GreyianStorm on 23 July 2011

Lyrikalstylez said:

Nsanity said:

Dark_Feanor said:

My point is that look like people here have a fixation for this game, and how much in the far future it will sell.

I can`t undertant why this game is so important. None of my friends that have PS3 cares for this game. They prefer FIFA, PES, Naruto NS, Motal Kombat or Street Fighter. And my friends that have only Xbox 360 (like myself) would like to play Uncharted, God of War and Killzone.

This is the only game forum that I see such a passion for GT5.

I know it might sound stupid but certain individuals want GT5 to outsell Halo so they can brag it about or reassure themselves that the franchise is far from declining.

couldn't have said it any better......As I recall I estimated around 7 million life time which is currently about right, compared to other "certain users who where claiming +10 million life time sold *chuckles*

I Dont care anyways

You originally said 4-6 million actually, after the first sales figures were released too.

In respect to the OP, I think it depends on your definition of mass bundling. If the game is bundled with only some hardware, and at the full price of the standalone system and the game, then it won't really change much. If it's bundled at close to/the same price as a console by itself, and is widespead, it could add millions of sales in a short period of time (for example, if all hardware shipped for a quarter was bundled).

If GT5 is mass bundled, I'd expect it to outsell Reach by a sizeable margin, but it wouldn't really mean much, as standalone sales (or sales bundled, but at full price) are far more significant for measuring how widespread a game's popularity is.

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enrageorange on 23 July 2011

dsage you keep saying sales would be the same if neither game was bundled. But we have shown you so much evidence that GT5 is indeed being bundled far more than halo reach.

And the only reason GT5 is appearing in EMEAA charts so high is because it is being bundled. If you haven't noticed the GT5 is pretty much never seen in more than one country in the PAL charts anymore, yet it somehow consistantly better selling then games that appear multiple times.

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dsage01 on 23 July 2011

enrageorange said:

dsage you keep saying sales would be the same if neither game was bundled. But we have shown you so much evidence that GT5 is indeed being bundled far more than halo reach.

And the only reason GT5 is appearing in EMEAA charts so high is because it is being bundled. If you haven't noticed the GT5 is pretty much never seen in more than one country in the PAL charts anymore, yet it somehow consistantly better selling then games that appear multiple times.

Yeah 1 or 2 bundles that are hardly available? Look at all the Reach bundles:

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Halo+Reach+bundle&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:{referrer:source%3F}&tbm=isch&tbnid=sBVMKAbt244gXM:&imgrefurl=http://news.