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The thing with the phones works differently atleast here in germany. Depending on contract size t-mobile or others shell out a provision upto ranging from 100-500 eur per contract. you basically pay this back by less favorable phone costs or higher monthly fees with 2 contracts you can get 800+ eur as provision. the seller usually gives 2 decent smartphones with it but he can also give 2 not so good phones and a ps 3 or notebook or in some cases a motorscooter.

Those promotions have nothing to do with sony those sellers usually buy large quantities of ps 3 wii tvs notebooks xbox 360 and give it away with phone contracts. Sony has usually nothing to do with it afaik.

a similar deal to win 7 pc + xbox 360 would be sony bravia tv +ps 3 .

You have  to remember that ALOT more 360 failed then ps3s, and even with the (half ass) extended warrenty alot of poeple weren't covered or just got sick of sending it in and bought a new one from a retailer while keeping their collection

Is he saying MS moneyhatted NPD?

If Pachter is correct and MS has convinced NPD to include some shipment data to distributors, with some of those units making their way out of the US so they will never actually be sold in the US, then I think its a reletively big story.  It would mean MS are trying to inflate their numbers.  And there is no question that MS would have outsold the PS3 and Wii in the US, it's pretty much a given.  But if MS is doing this to make their own YOY seem better to investors, that's quite dishonest.

How will this change the WW shipment numbers?  Does MS give out specific numbers for each country?  If this is true, it won't effect WW shipment numbers, it would only shift shipment numbers from South America to sales in the US.  And since no one truly tracks South America like NPD tracks the US, you won't see either a dip in numbers in South America or sold through numbers being counted twice.  And I await the Source's clarification.

Well they want to become number one by those kinect titles i think, which im thinking arent gonna be as big as they think.

Something tells me you would react differently if Sony or Nintendo had gotten NPD to shift shipped numbers to sold numbers in the US just so the PS3 or the Wii would be ahead of MS in the NPD report.

If I understand this correctly (and if I don't someone correct me), they can't do that since they're basically selling the consoles to themselves. The consoles they sold to retailers in Brazil are consoles they will not need to ship again to Brazil, so the number stays the same. They inflate US numbers in exchange for deflating LA numbers (but those are not kown usually). Shipped consoles should tell us the truth in the end.

just ignore them,they're freaking crazy right now you know

Promotions are promotions, my friend received his PS3 because of a TV purchase so this is nothing new and is only really a footnote and like all promotions will end.

The last point though is curious although again merely a footnote. What I am curious about is not the final destination as that can happen regardless but more about counting distribution in the numbers.

I am thinking that this is more likely an American reseller with a presence in Brazil who simple shipped some in that direction which I would imagine happens frequently on this occasion though the numbers must of been in a higher than usual volume.