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angelsaremyplaything said:
thismeintiel said:
angelsaremyplaything said:

Everyone who cares about halo or gears has a 360 already, and no I didn't forget it just doesn't matter, there's a reason kinect sales have been droping consistently it sucks people are starting to realize there aren't any good games for it, and from what I've seen there aren't going to be anytime soon, a price cut isn't going to change that, kinect is all MS has to drive sales and it's already running out of steam, and I know you forgot about the psmove, which sales are far more stable then kinects, Sony could cut the price of the move bundle and match it and again any equal price cut will favor the ps3 because it has more features and better games and is just a better piece of hardware

While I agree with your overall point, you missed the biggest factor.  An equal price cut will definitely go in the PS3's favor, but the main reason is because it will be the first time ever the PS3 has been offered for that price (most likely $249).  The 360 has already had a model priced at $199 for the longest time, so a $249 250GB 360 won't have the same impact as the newly reduced PS3.  It happened in '09, it will happen again.  MS would have to cut the 250GB 360 by ~$100 to get an equal or greater bump.

Of course, you are right when you mention features and games.  When you consider that HD TV's and Blu-ray are going to fair quite well during the holidays, it will only help the PS3 that it has a Blu-ray drive.  As far as games go, the biggest help WW for the PS3 is that it has more exclusive releases this year.  In Japan, it will actually be a multi-plat that helps it the most, in the form of FF13-2.  In the end, the PS3 is going to have a very nice holiday season.

And I know some may have faith that Kinect will pull the 360 through to be #1, but I doubt it.  One of the reasons Kinect did so well last year was that it was seen as the new "IT" gaming product to buy for the holiday season in America.  This year, Kinect won't be seen as such.  It probably will be replaced by the 3DS or PSV or both.  Unless, MS aggressively cuts the Kinect by ~$100, which I doubt they will, I don't see it having much of an impact this holiday.

I mention that 360 already has a 200 skew in a ealier post, and that was one of the reasons a price cut would go it's way, understandable that you missed it though, and I hope FFXIII2 bobs XIII was crap square needs a good dose of cold water 

Yea, must have missed it.  Even if FF13-2 is lackluster, it will undoubtedly open big in Japan, regardless.  Final Fantasy games always do.  Which will at least give the PS3 a nice little boost.



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thismeintiel said:
TT Makaveli said:
man GT5 is dying or what?Sony please dont be so stupid and let your biggest exclusive go...

Don't worry, they won't.  It's still to get an official price cut.  At least here in the States.  Plus, it'll get a nice boost this holiday season with the inevitable PS3 price cut, plus a new bundle.


here in Europe it needs an official price cut too...and do you really know that it will be bundled?i hope so!at best with the new slim or the normal Slim after the price cut...



angelsaremyplaything said:
thx1139 said:

Well since MS hasnt release Kinect sales numbers since it hit 10 million back in March of course Move sales releases are going to show Move catching up. What happens next week when MS reports thier 4th qtr/annual report and Kinect sales jump?  Also when was the last time Sony releases those Move sales numbers and what were they?  Both 360 and PS3 have exclusives this year, except 360 exclusives are written off because many of they support Kinect so they couldnt possibly cause a casual person to pick up a 360.    None of the big titles for ANY console will make a dramatic shift in console sales. Those days are over for this generation.  Sure maybe a special edition bundle may sell some extra maybe even 100,000 to the collector types, but that is nothing in the whole competion thing at this point.  Finally Blu-Ray players are just to cheap to push someone to a PS3 any more and they will be cheaper this holiday.

So you have no source and just pulled the numbers out of your ass and it won't jump since we can track it via the bundled game, and 360s games are not good and won't sell alot aside from gears/forza/halo, and not because they are kinect but because they are shovelware and again it isn't any one thing it's everything together, games that someone wants, a blu ray player too, if ps3 drops to 200 even if 360 matches ps3 will sell alot more due to the line up and blu ray, and again why do you think 360 will sell more when they didn't last year holiday season and they had the odds stacked in their favor (a good year for games for MS a bad one for Sony, Kinect release at holidays with tons of advertisement (Kinect sales won't be equaled this holiday) and they even had the new redesign release that year and Sony still tied them now with a bad lineup for them a great one for Sony, Kinect sales slowed and probably a price drop which will go more in sony's favor, how will 360 outsell ps3 this year?

I dont have a source? I didnt quote any sales. Just said MS hasnt announced any new numbers since thier last quarterly report.

Saying the 360 doesnt have any good games this year besides Gears/Forza/Halo is just fanboy trolling.  To be honest none of us really know if any of the games this year are any good yet.  Some may be great for me, some may be great for you, some may be great for most (not all) and some may really appeal to someone that doesnt have a console yet.  We will see.

PS3 will not drop to $200.  PS3 and 360 will get price drops and 360 will get added incentive with Kinect price drop as well.

Last Holiday MS didnt outsell the PS3 for 1 reason and that was they didnt produce enough. PS3 also got a boost from GT5 yeah that game that apparently made it a bad year for the PS3 last holiday.

As for this year I am not predicting some blockbuster 360 win. I am saying that through the end of the year the PS3 will not outsell the 360 by some 2.3 million that someone earlier predicted.  I do think that the 360 will win the holiday season. 360 is the HD console of choice in NA and Kinect is a more casual holiday oriented sales tool.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

thx1139 said:
angelsaremyplaything said:
thx1139 said:

Well since MS hasnt release Kinect sales numbers since it hit 10 million back in March of course Move sales releases are going to show Move catching up. What happens next week when MS reports thier 4th qtr/annual report and Kinect sales jump?  Also when was the last time Sony releases those Move sales numbers and what were they?  Both 360 and PS3 have exclusives this year, except 360 exclusives are written off because many of they support Kinect so they couldnt possibly cause a casual person to pick up a 360.    None of the big titles for ANY console will make a dramatic shift in console sales. Those days are over for this generation.  Sure maybe a special edition bundle may sell some extra maybe even 100,000 to the collector types, but that is nothing in the whole competion thing at this point.  Finally Blu-Ray players are just to cheap to push someone to a PS3 any more and they will be cheaper this holiday.

So you have no source and just pulled the numbers out of your ass and it won't jump since we can track it via the bundled game, and 360s games are not good and won't sell alot aside from gears/forza/halo, and not because they are kinect but because they are shovelware and again it isn't any one thing it's everything together, games that someone wants, a blu ray player too, if ps3 drops to 200 even if 360 matches ps3 will sell alot more due to the line up and blu ray, and again why do you think 360 will sell more when they didn't last year holiday season and they had the odds stacked in their favor (a good year for games for MS a bad one for Sony, Kinect release at holidays with tons of advertisement (Kinect sales won't be equaled this holiday) and they even had the new redesign release that year and Sony still tied them now with a bad lineup for them a great one for Sony, Kinect sales slowed and probably a price drop which will go more in sony's favor, how will 360 outsell ps3 this year?

I dont have a source? I didnt quote any sales. Just said MS hasnt announced any new numbers since thier last quarterly report.

Saying the 360 doesnt have any good games this year besides Gears/Forza/Halo is just fanboy trolling.  To be honest none of us really know if any of the games this year are any good yet.  Some may be great for me, some may be great for you, some may be great for most (not all) and some may really appeal to someone that doesnt have a console yet.  We will see.

PS3 will not drop to $200.  PS3 and 360 will get price drops and 360 will get added incentive with Kinect price drop as well.

Last Holiday MS didnt outsell the PS3 for 1 reason and that was they didnt produce enough. PS3 also got a boost from GT5 yeah that game that apparently made it a bad year for the PS3 last holiday.

As for this year I am not predicting some blockbuster 360 win. I am saying that through the end of the year the PS3 will not outsell the 360 by some 2.3 million that someone earlier predicted.  I do think that the 360 will win the holiday season. 360 is the HD console of choice in NA and Kinect is a more casual holiday oriented sales tool.

1. it's not trolling, it's a slight exaduration at worst, what good games does MS have besides those if it has so many? and 360 only has 2 non kinect retail exclusive this whole year 3 counting the remake so yea... 

2. Equal drop will favor ps3 no matter how much it drops and move will get the added incensive too reasons price drop will favor ps3 (again), 360 already has a 200 skew people aren't waiting for price to drop, ps3 has more games, more good games and a better line up, ps3 has blu ray and other features and is the bbetter built console

3. I actually agree with you here but you are forgetting something last holiday was STACKED in 360s favor, ps3 had a bad year for games for it, 360 a good one for it, and kinect launch with a massive marketing campaign, this year kienct sales are going to push les consoles, there are no games aside from forza, gears and halo to push sales and ps3 has a had a ton of great games to realse, more will release around holiday and it has a better line up 

4. if 360 couldn't win holiday last year it has 0 chance to win this year, thoguh I do think it will only beat 360 by 1 to 2 mil this year 



angelsaremyplaything said:
thx1139 said:
angelsaremyplaything said:
thx1139 said:

Well since MS hasnt release Kinect sales numbers since it hit 10 million back in March of course Move sales releases are going to show Move catching up. What happens next week when MS reports thier 4th qtr/annual report and Kinect sales jump?  Also when was the last time Sony releases those Move sales numbers and what were they?  Both 360 and PS3 have exclusives this year, except 360 exclusives are written off because many of they support Kinect so they couldnt possibly cause a casual person to pick up a 360.    None of the big titles for ANY console will make a dramatic shift in console sales. Those days are over for this generation.  Sure maybe a special edition bundle may sell some extra maybe even 100,000 to the collector types, but that is nothing in the whole competion thing at this point.  Finally Blu-Ray players are just to cheap to push someone to a PS3 any more and they will be cheaper this holiday.

So you have no source and just pulled the numbers out of your ass and it won't jump since we can track it via the bundled game, and 360s games are not good and won't sell alot aside from gears/forza/halo, and not because they are kinect but because they are shovelware and again it isn't any one thing it's everything together, games that someone wants, a blu ray player too, if ps3 drops to 200 even if 360 matches ps3 will sell alot more due to the line up and blu ray, and again why do you think 360 will sell more when they didn't last year holiday season and they had the odds stacked in their favor (a good year for games for MS a bad one for Sony, Kinect release at holidays with tons of advertisement (Kinect sales won't be equaled this holiday) and they even had the new redesign release that year and Sony still tied them now with a bad lineup for them a great one for Sony, Kinect sales slowed and probably a price drop which will go more in sony's favor, how will 360 outsell ps3 this year?

I dont have a source? I didnt quote any sales. Just said MS hasnt announced any new numbers since thier last quarterly report.

Saying the 360 doesnt have any good games this year besides Gears/Forza/Halo is just fanboy trolling.  To be honest none of us really know if any of the games this year are any good yet.  Some may be great for me, some may be great for you, some may be great for most (not all) and some may really appeal to someone that doesnt have a console yet.  We will see.

PS3 will not drop to $200.  PS3 and 360 will get price drops and 360 will get added incentive with Kinect price drop as well.

Last Holiday MS didnt outsell the PS3 for 1 reason and that was they didnt produce enough. PS3 also got a boost from GT5 yeah that game that apparently made it a bad year for the PS3 last holiday.

As for this year I am not predicting some blockbuster 360 win. I am saying that through the end of the year the PS3 will not outsell the 360 by some 2.3 million that someone earlier predicted.  I do think that the 360 will win the holiday season. 360 is the HD console of choice in NA and Kinect is a more casual holiday oriented sales tool.

1. it's not trolling, it's a slight exaduration at worst, what good games does MS have besides those if it has so many? and 360 only has 2 non kinect retail exclusive this whole year 3 counting the remake so yea... 

2. Equal drop will favor ps3 no matter how much it drops and move will get the added incensive too reasons price drop will favor ps3 (again), 360 already has a 200 skew people aren't waiting for price to drop, ps3 has more games, more good games and a better line up, ps3 has blu ray and other features and is the bbetter built console

3. I actually agree with you here but you are forgetting something last holiday was STACKED in 360s favor, ps3 had a bad year for games for it, 360 a good one for it, and kinect launch with a massive marketing campaign, this year kienct sales are going to push les consoles, there are no games aside from forza, gears and halo to push sales and ps3 has a had a ton of great games to realse, more will release around holiday and it has a better line up 

4. if 360 couldn't win holiday last year it has 0 chance to win this year, thoguh I do think it will only beat 360 by 1 to 2 mil this year 

1. In addition to the 3, there are a number of high profile Kinect titles and yes for selling consoles Kinect titles will be a bigger driver of sales than. Gears3/Forza4/HaloRe/Uncharted3/Twisted Metal/Resistance 3.   Kinect install base is much smaller and thus a title has more chance of enticing someone to jump in.  Thats just common sense.  So Kinect Star Wars, Kinect Disney, Kinect Sports 2, Dance Central 2, Kinect Sesame Street, etc. will move consoles (even if you dont like the titles).

2-3. The big seller for the 360 has always been the model with the HDD.  Not to mention that a $150 or less version is always going to be an easier spontaneous gift than a $249 version.  Not to mention the 360 just has more buzz in NA and NA is the country with the most pronounced bump in holiday sales.  There is no way that you can really convince me and most others that the Holiday season where the savior of savior title for the PS3 (GT5) came out that it was a BAD year.  Especially in Europe.  Japan is down this year and will continue to be down YoY and no FF or GT 1st title this gen to get those fans off the fence.  Yes last year MS did spend a bunch on Marketing and you can count on it that they will this year as well. It was ignored by many that the Kinect budget for marketing wasnt just last year it was this year as well. 

4. Finally MS didnt make enough 360s last year otherwise they would have sold plenty more last holiday season. Demand wasnt the problem supply was the problem.  Are you saying 1-2 million more or counting the current PS3 lead?



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

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thx1139 said:
angelsaremyplaything said:
thx1139 said:
angelsaremyplaything said:
thx1139 said:

Well since MS hasnt release Kinect sales numbers since it hit 10 million back in March of course Move sales releases are going to show Move catching up. What happens next week when MS reports thier 4th qtr/annual report and Kinect sales jump?  Also when was the last time Sony releases those Move sales numbers and what were they?  Both 360 and PS3 have exclusives this year, except 360 exclusives are written off because many of they support Kinect so they couldnt possibly cause a casual person to pick up a 360.    None of the big titles for ANY console will make a dramatic shift in console sales. Those days are over for this generation.  Sure maybe a special edition bundle may sell some extra maybe even 100,000 to the collector types, but that is nothing in the whole competion thing at this point.  Finally Blu-Ray players are just to cheap to push someone to a PS3 any more and they will be cheaper this holiday.

So you have no source and just pulled the numbers out of your ass and it won't jump since we can track it via the bundled game, and 360s games are not good and won't sell alot aside from gears/forza/halo, and not because they are kinect but because they are shovelware and again it isn't any one thing it's everything together, games that someone wants, a blu ray player too, if ps3 drops to 200 even if 360 matches ps3 will sell alot more due to the line up and blu ray, and again why do you think 360 will sell more when they didn't last year holiday season and they had the odds stacked in their favor (a good year for games for MS a bad one for Sony, Kinect release at holidays with tons of advertisement (Kinect sales won't be equaled this holiday) and they even had the new redesign release that year and Sony still tied them now with a bad lineup for them a great one for Sony, Kinect sales slowed and probably a price drop which will go more in sony's favor, how will 360 outsell ps3 this year?

I dont have a source? I didnt quote any sales. Just said MS hasnt announced any new numbers since thier last quarterly report.

Saying the 360 doesnt have any good games this year besides Gears/Forza/Halo is just fanboy trolling.  To be honest none of us really know if any of the games this year are any good yet.  Some may be great for me, some may be great for you, some may be great for most (not all) and some may really appeal to someone that doesnt have a console yet.  We will see.

PS3 will not drop to $200.  PS3 and 360 will get price drops and 360 will get added incentive with Kinect price drop as well.

Last Holiday MS didnt outsell the PS3 for 1 reason and that was they didnt produce enough. PS3 also got a boost from GT5 yeah that game that apparently made it a bad year for the PS3 last holiday.

As for this year I am not predicting some blockbuster 360 win. I am saying that through the end of the year the PS3 will not outsell the 360 by some 2.3 million that someone earlier predicted.  I do think that the 360 will win the holiday season. 360 is the HD console of choice in NA and Kinect is a more casual holiday oriented sales tool.

1. it's not trolling, it's a slight exaduration at worst, what good games does MS have besides those if it has so many? and 360 only has 2 non kinect retail exclusive this whole year 3 counting the remake so yea... 

2. Equal drop will favor ps3 no matter how much it drops and move will get the added incensive too reasons price drop will favor ps3 (again), 360 already has a 200 skew people aren't waiting for price to drop, ps3 has more games, more good games and a better line up, ps3 has blu ray and other features and is the bbetter built console

3. I actually agree with you here but you are forgetting something last holiday was STACKED in 360s favor, ps3 had a bad year for games for it, 360 a good one for it, and kinect launch with a massive marketing campaign, this year kienct sales are going to push les consoles, there are no games aside from forza, gears and halo to push sales and ps3 has a had a ton of great games to realse, more will release around holiday and it has a better line up 

4. if 360 couldn't win holiday last year it has 0 chance to win this year, thoguh I do think it will only beat 360 by 1 to 2 mil this year 

1. In addition to the 3, there are a number of high profile Kinect titles and yes for selling consoles Kinect titles will be a bigger driver of sales than. Gears3/Forza4/HaloRe/Uncharted3/Twisted Metal/Resistance 3.   Kinect install base is much smaller and thus a title has more chance of enticing someone to jump in.  Thats just common sense.  So Kinect Star Wars, Kinect Disney, Kinect Sports 2, Dance Central 2, Kinect Sesame Street, etc. will move consoles (even if you dont like the titles).

2-3. The big seller for the 360 has always been the model with the HDD.  Not to mention that a $150 or less version is always going to be an easier spontaneous gift than a $249 version.  Not to mention the 360 just has more buzz in NA and NA is the country with the most pronounced bump in holiday sales.  There is no way that you can really convince me and most others that the Holiday season where the savior of savior title for the PS3 (GT5) came out that it was a BAD year.  Especially in Europe.  Japan is down this year and will continue to be down YoY and no FF or GT 1st title this gen to get those fans off the fence.  Yes last year MS did spend a bunch on Marketing and you can count on it that they will this year as well. It was ignored by many that the Kinect budget for marketing wasnt just last year it was this year as well. 

4. Finally MS didnt make enough 360s last year otherwise they would have sold plenty more last holiday season. Demand wasnt the problem supply was the problem.  Are you saying 1-2 million more or counting the current PS3 lead?

1. I said good, the only good game on that list is Dance centeral 2 and even that is only good for a kinect game, the rest is either shovelware or we don't know yet

2. Cheapstakes (the people which a price drop will effect) are waiting for the ps3 to drop, NO1 is waiting for the 360 to drop, it already has a 200 model and even if it didn't  there isn't much reason to get it, and you put WAY too much stoke in one high selling game, this year lineup is 10 times better then last years for ps3 and similarily worse for 360, despite the home field advantage if 360 didn't beat ps3 last year it has 0 chance this year and I know MS will advertise alot this year just not as uch kinect won't push as many sales, and it's games this year are less and less diverse it's going to be dwon from last year and ps3 is going to be up and in japan 3rd party games will be the ps3s biggest advantage so all those 3rd party games will push ps3 sales in japan, and europe will just see that ps3 is overall better as well as alot of NA, ps3 has this holiday in the bag, the wii is the only one that has a chance of beating it 

3. I'm not aruging with you, ps3 shipped high that quater too I was fully expecting 360 to beat the crap out of ps3 I actually laughed when it was a tie, my point is simple if 360 wasn't able to beat ps3 when the odds were so stacked in it's favor how the hell will it beat it when the tables are turned, and 1 to 2 mil over 360 for the whole year 



i think its right to say the wii is falling now, its by far the cheapest console and only manages a snippet above ps3 which is twice the price more or less



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TT Makaveli said:
thismeintiel said:
TT Makaveli said:
man GT5 is dying or what?Sony please dont be so stupid and let your biggest exclusive go...

Don't worry, they won't.  It's still to get an official price cut.  At least here in the States.  Plus, it'll get a nice boost this holiday season with the inevitable PS3 price cut, plus a new bundle.


here in Europe it needs an official price cut too...and do you really know that it will be bundled?i hope so!at best with the new slim or the normal Slim after the price cut...

Lol, well, I don't know for a fact it will have a bundle.  But, I think it's logical and a safe bet that it will be in one of two or three holiday bundles this year.



The first and real GT5's price cut is coming.

http://www.amazon.fr/Sony-Computer-Gran-Turismo-Platinum/dp/B0057MXPNK/ref=sr_1_73?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1308960004&sr=1-73&tag=vig0f-21

Platinum Edition with 37% reduction.

GT5 will dominate this holidays.



ethomaz said:

The first and real GT5's price cut is coming.

http://www.amazon.fr/Sony-Computer-Gran-Turismo-Platinum/dp/B0057MXPNK/ref=sr_1_73?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1308960004&sr=1-73&tag=vig0f-21

Platinum Edition with 37% reduction.

GT5 will dominate this holidays.