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Who will win the handheld gaming system battle?

Playstation Vita 135 36.68%
 
Nintendo 3DS 212 57.61%
 
Nintendo will win the bat... 13 3.53%
 
SONY will win the battle,... 8 2.17%
 
Total:368
small44 on 26 June 2011
dahuman said:
small44 said:
dahuman said:
small44 said:
dahuman said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
dahuman said:
Gilgamesh said:

Vita hands down.


Gilga, you are really not worried about downgraded high profile game franchiases from the PS3? Sony needs to get a lot more games like Patapon or Locorocco etc. with good advertisement and a more global appeal in whacky ass games for it to sell to the masses, I mean a ton more, and from 3rd parties as well, they don't have the same image that Nintendo has already built, and what if Capcom and Nintendo do have an agreement on Monster Hunter down the road, 3DS is perfectly capable of a good Monster Hunter game now unlike the DS, what happens to Japan then? Sony has a lot of hurdles to overcome.


I don't understand this only console IP on PSV mentality...it's just rediculous..it's almost as if no one has even seen the line up of games for the device >_>

I'm obviously aware of what they have, but if they want to stand above Nintendo, they have a lot of reimage to do. Looking at how well something like Brain Age sold is borderline ridiculous, it's not graphics intensive, not super whacky, it's just a straight up...... global game, Nintendo is just better at making global mass appeal games than Sony ATM. People want to play something like Uncharted or Call of Duty on a big ass screen with good stereo and huge explosions offering orgasms to your eyes, that's not something a 5 inch screen can offer, so they need more portable games that can drag people in, and that's the real hard part considering only Japan is really buying the PSP right now.


You talk about new IP?

Do you don't know sony announced 8 new Ip all are casual game exept gravity daze and gelding

Real Fighters

Little Deviant

Mr. Ink Jet

Smart As

Broken

Sound Shapes

And then you say sonuy need new Ip sony need casual games.

And when people say my favorite it's uncharted golden abyss that prouve you are wrong people want good game it dosn't metter if games are new ip or port or casual or hardcore games

 

 

read bold, and I don't care about Golden Abyss one bit, I care about Drake's Deception. Same reason I don't play God of War stuff on PSP, the scale is too different. If the PSV is the only system somebody'll have though, sure, go for it. People have this hard on with Uncharted anything now, it's horrible, the real goods are the devs in ND. I've played Resistance Retribution, I'm not impressed by the studio making Golden Abyss one bit.

Also, casual games =/= global appeal games, I've never once mentioned "casual," that's a shitty word to describe games just like "hardcore" is a dumb word for games as well. Games are games, they have their genres, casual and hardcore are not fucking genres, that kind of distinction means you don't truly understand video games. "Can Sony change their image to have more appeal to more of the masses in the world?" is the real question, not what people wish to see.

I play resistance retribution and it's one of my best psp game beacuse limitation of hardware the game is not as good as game in the same seirie on ps3 or even the ps3.The studio who's making uncharted golden abyss do a good job when i see the game i say the studio is as good as naughty dog.

Mario and zelda are  game for masses but the gamecube has a mario but failed in sale and don't think Nintendo IP is enougth to make big sale  even the price is a big factor.

Mario fan will buy a 3ds but even modnation racer fan will buy psvita,little big planet fan will buy a psvita,uncharted fan will buy psvita not the magority of gamer buy a console for 1 game but for a list of game.

That's my point, it's not a PS3, and I have a PS3, I'm not going to settle for a lesser experience when I know the main series would be higher quality.

3D Mario and Zelda are most certainly not for the masses lol, you need to understand what mass appeal means before we can discuss this topic.

Yeah, and because 3DS was released earlier, it will have that list faster. I didn't get my DS, Wii, or 3DS because of Mario though, that's for damn sure, and I sure as hell didn't get my PSPs for Modnation Racer or Little Big Planet heh.

Because PS3 will have better graphic the psvita means it's  a lesser quality,because you can play ps3 games in TV means you will have a better experience i don't think so and i'm sure game like Modnation racers and Little big planet will be better in psvita then ps3.

And  Sony made Sound Shape and little deviants etc for peoples like you who's don't want home console experience in a handheld but you  just ignore thats games and tell just about Uncharted.



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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small44 on 26 June 2011
dahuman said:
small44 said:
dahuman said:
small44 said:
dahuman said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
dahuman said:
Gilgamesh said:

Vita hands down.


Gilga, you are really not worried about downgraded high profile game franchiases from the PS3? Sony needs to get a lot more games like Patapon or Locorocco etc. with good advertisement and a more global appeal in whacky ass games for it to sell to the masses, I mean a ton more, and from 3rd parties as well, they don't have the same image that Nintendo has already built, and what if Capcom and Nintendo do have an agreement on Monster Hunter down the road, 3DS is perfectly capable of a good Monster Hunter game now unlike the DS, what happens to Japan then? Sony has a lot of hurdles to overcome.


I don't understand this only console IP on PSV mentality...it's just rediculous..it's almost as if no one has even seen the line up of games for the device >_>

I'm obviously aware of what they have, but if they want to stand above Nintendo, they have a lot of reimage to do. Looking at how well something like Brain Age sold is borderline ridiculous, it's not graphics intensive, not super whacky, it's just a straight up...... global game, Nintendo is just better at making global mass appeal games than Sony ATM. People want to play something like Uncharted or Call of Duty on a big ass screen with good stereo and huge explosions offering orgasms to your eyes, that's not something a 5 inch screen can offer, so they need more portable games that can drag people in, and that's the real hard part considering only Japan is really buying the PSP right now.


You talk about new IP?

Do you don't know sony announced 8 new Ip all are casual game exept gravity daze and gelding

Real Fighters

Little Deviant

Mr. Ink Jet

Smart As

Broken

Sound Shapes

And then you say sonuy need new Ip sony need casual games.

And when people say my favorite it's uncharted golden abyss that prouve you are wrong people want good game it dosn't metter if games are new ip or port or casual or hardcore games

 

 

read bold, and I don't care about Golden Abyss one bit, I care about Drake's Deception. Same reason I don't play God of War stuff on PSP, the scale is too different. If the PSV is the only system somebody'll have though, sure, go for it. People have this hard on with Uncharted anything now, it's horrible, the real goods are the devs in ND. I've played Resistance Retribution, I'm not impressed by the studio making Golden Abyss one bit.

Also, casual games =/= global appeal games, I've never once mentioned "casual," that's a shitty word to describe games just like "hardcore" is a dumb word for games as well. Games are games, they have their genres, casual and hardcore are not fucking genres, that kind of distinction means you don't truly understand video games. "Can Sony change their image to have more appeal to more of the masses in the world?" is the real question, not what people wish to see.

I play resistance retribution and it's one of my best psp game beacuse limitation of hardware the game is not as good as game in the same seirie on ps3 or even the ps3.The studio who's making uncharted golden abyss do a good job when i see the game i say the studio is as good as naughty dog.

Mario and zelda are  game for masses but the gamecube has a mario but failed in sale and don't think Nintendo IP is enougth to make big sale  even the price is a big factor.

Mario fan will buy a 3ds but even modnation racer fan will buy psvita,little big planet fan will buy a psvita,uncharted fan will buy psvita not the magority of gamer buy a console for 1 game but for a list of game.

That's my point, it's not a PS3, and I have a PS3, I'm not going to settle for a lesser experience when I know the main series would be higher quality.

3D Mario and Zelda are most certainly not for the masses lol, you need to understand what mass appeal means before we can discuss this topic.

Yeah, and because 3DS was released earlier, it will have that list faster. I didn't get my DS, Wii, or 3DS because of Mario though, that's for damn sure, and I sure as hell didn't get my PSPs for Modnation Racer or Little Big Planet heh.

Because PS3 will have better graphic the psvita means it's  a lesser quality,because you can play ps3 games in TV means you will have a better experience i don't think so and i'm sure game like Modnation racers and Little big planet will be better in psvita then ps3.

And  Sony made Sound Shape and little deviants etc for peoples like you who's don't want home console experience in a handheld but you  just ignore thats games and tell just about Uncharted.



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

dahuman on 27 June 2011
small44 said:
dahuman said:
small44 said:
dahuman said:
small44 said:
dahuman said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
dahuman said:
Gilgamesh said:

Vita hands down.


Gilga, you are really not worried about downgraded high profile game franchiases from the PS3? Sony needs to get a lot more games like Patapon or Locorocco etc. with good advertisement and a more global appeal in whacky ass games for it to sell to the masses, I mean a ton more, and from 3rd parties as well, they don't have the same image that Nintendo has already built, and what if Capcom and Nintendo do have an agreement on Monster Hunter down the road, 3DS is perfectly capable of a good Monster Hunter game now unlike the DS, what happens to Japan then? Sony has a lot of hurdles to overcome.


I don't understand this only console IP on PSV mentality...it's just rediculous..it's almost as if no one has even seen the line up of games for the device >_>

I'm obviously aware of what they have, but if they want to stand above Nintendo, they have a lot of reimage to do. Looking at how well something like Brain Age sold is borderline ridiculous, it's not graphics intensive, not super whacky, it's just a straight up...... global game, Nintendo is just better at making global mass appeal games than Sony ATM. People want to play something like Uncharted or Call of Duty on a big ass screen with good stereo and huge explosions offering orgasms to your eyes, that's not something a 5 inch screen can offer, so they need more portable games that can drag people in, and that's the real hard part considering only Japan is really buying the PSP right now.


You talk about new IP?

Do you don't know sony announced 8 new Ip all are casual game exept gravity daze and gelding

Real Fighters

Little Deviant

Mr. Ink Jet

Smart As

Broken

Sound Shapes

And then you say sonuy need new Ip sony need casual games.

And when people say my favorite it's uncharted golden abyss that prouve you are wrong people want good game it dosn't metter if games are new ip or port or casual or hardcore games

 

 

read bold, and I don't care about Golden Abyss one bit, I care about Drake's Deception. Same reason I don't play God of War stuff on PSP, the scale is too different. If the PSV is the only system somebody'll have though, sure, go for it. People have this hard on with Uncharted anything now, it's horrible, the real goods are the devs in ND. I've played Resistance Retribution, I'm not impressed by the studio making Golden Abyss one bit.

Also, casual games =/= global appeal games, I've never once mentioned "casual," that's a shitty word to describe games just like "hardcore" is a dumb word for games as well. Games are games, they have their genres, casual and hardcore are not fucking genres, that kind of distinction means you don't truly understand video games. "Can Sony change their image to have more appeal to more of the masses in the world?" is the real question, not what people wish to see.

I play resistance retribution and it's one of my best psp game beacuse limitation of hardware the game is not as good as game in the same seirie on ps3 or even the ps3.The studio who's making uncharted golden abyss do a good job when i see the game i say the studio is as good as naughty dog.

Mario and zelda are  game for masses but the gamecube has a mario but failed in sale and don't think Nintendo IP is enougth to make big sale  even the price is a big factor.

Mario fan will buy a 3ds but even modnation racer fan will buy psvita,little big planet fan will buy a psvita,uncharted fan will buy psvita not the magority of gamer buy a console for 1 game but for a list of game.

That's my point, it's not a PS3, and I have a PS3, I'm not going to settle for a lesser experience when I know the main series would be higher quality.

3D Mario and Zelda are most certainly not for the masses lol, you need to understand what mass appeal means before we can discuss this topic.

Yeah, and because 3DS was released earlier, it will have that list faster. I didn't get my DS, Wii, or 3DS because of Mario though, that's for damn sure, and I sure as hell didn't get my PSPs for Modnation Racer or Little Big Planet heh.

Because PS3 will have better graphic the psvita means it's  a lesser quality,because you can play ps3 games in TV means you will have a better experience i don't think so and i'm sure game like Modnation racers and Little big planet will be better in psvita then ps3.

And  Sony made Sound Shape and little deviants etc for peoples like you who's don't want home console experience in a handheld but you  just ignore thats games and tell just about Uncharted.


heh, you clearly didn't read or at least didn't understand what I was saying at all. To have a proper discussion, you need to really figure out how to read other people's posts properly first.

 

P.S.: oh and btw, like I said, figure out what "mass appeal" means first, somebody already replied with good examples, now you just need to figure it out then see my point, if you are unable to do that, then anything we talk about is moot.



dahuman on 27 June 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:
dahuman said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
dahuman said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
dahuman said:
Gilgamesh said:

Vita hands down.


Gilga, you are really not worried about downgraded high profile game franchiases from the PS3? Sony needs to get a lot more games like Patapon or Locorocco etc. with good advertisement and a more global appeal in whacky ass games for it to sell to the masses, I mean a ton more, and from 3rd parties as well, they don't have the same image that Nintendo has already built, and what if Capcom and Nintendo do have an agreement on Monster Hunter down the road, 3DS is perfectly capable of a good Monster Hunter game now unlike the DS, what happens to Japan then? Sony has a lot of hurdles to overcome.


I don't understand this only console IP on PSV mentality...it's just rediculous..it's almost as if no one has even seen the line up of games for the device >_>

I'm obviously aware of what they have, but if they want to stand above Nintendo, they have a lot of reimage to do. Looking at how well something like Brain Age sold is borderline ridiculous, it's not graphics intensive, not super whacky, it's just a straight up...... global game, Nintendo is just better at making global mass appeal games than Sony ATM. People want to play something like Uncharted or Call of Duty on a big ass screen with good stereo and huge explosions offering orgasms to your eyes, that's not something a 5 inch screen can offer, so they need more portable games that can drag people in, and that's the real hard part considering only Japan is really buying the PSP right now.


your comment was about psv getting games like patapon and locoroco from the start, and that concern is moot looking at the line up. I suggest going and looking at the line up again. Quite a lot of the games revealed so far are new IP's which have been made specifically to take advantage of the portable. and of those there are already few games that are offer unique offerings that even 3ds has been unabled to do so even after all these months. Will they be successful? who knows but they look to be top quality games.

and you are quite wrong about uncharted and cod, maybe not all people, including you won't like it. But I would love to have such as experience on the go. if you don't like it it just means you are not the target market, simple as that. But again I recommend you checking the official thread or something, it has quite a few unique offerings already.

about the image, it's a matter of marketing really and having a good price point for the masses to enter. atm price point is not there for both systems. marketing, we will just have to see. I say this because psp had a lot of unique offerings on it as well, people either don't know of them or ignore them to benefit the argument.


duh, "with good advertisement and a more global appeal in whacky ass games for it to sell to the masses" is under there somewhere, don't just nit-picking sentences, read the whole paragraph and know what I'm trying to say. Patapon and Locorocco type games are good fun games imo but they are whacky as hell. Nintendo is fucking dumb to try to rely on 3rd party during launch anyways, the problem the VIta will have to face is that the 3DS was in fact out earlier, so there will be more completed games vs PSV at the same time frame and quiet a lot more due to the DS being successful in the previous handheld gen. I think the price of the PSV is good, they need to change a lot of their marketing strats though, they really suck at it.

Once again, I know what games the PSV will have, I do have Sony products ya know? I'm just analyzing on what difficulties it might have to it's competitor who's been quite a lot stronger in the same market. It's not like I'm bashing it lol. I'm just worried, and I think I'm worried with valid reasons.


and you are missing what I'm saying as well. I'm telling you that so far that's exactly what sony has done, there are plenty of unique portable games already in the lineup for psv, even more so than 3ds imho. I was saying marketing and price are the only two other factors left. one of which is def not mass market appeal pricing and the other too early to worry about. If we see marcus add-esque stuff again then we have something worry about. Sony have done really well so far with psv, almost flawless that it's scary coming from them. let's see how they handle marketing in the future

ps: to add I think  3ds will def sell more than psv....but it will be much much closer than last gen :)


I think marketing is what they have to work on the most, if it's anything like they've been doing for the past few years then it'd be no good like you said with the whole dumb ass black kid thing. We won't really know how they'll market Vita until about release though, they need to work pretty damn hard on that at the start of the life cycle. The generally public image is very different to people who are not gamers like us and also knowledge base on avaliable games etc. There are way more female users with Nintendo products too when it comes to video games and that's one thing Sony has to address in the future imo.



WiseOwl on 27 June 2011

The PSP Vita has a much better chance with the 3DS than the PSP did with the DS.



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firelink on 28 June 2011

Won't even be close.

Even after being in the handheld department for a few years now, Sony and their third parties still do not understand the market. They are trying to saturate the Vita with console-esque games that, quite frankly, people would rather play on a console.

The same exact thing happened to the PSP. Sony came out with the NGP thinking price was the only reason the PSP failed, yet right now, the PSP can be obtained at $120, while the DSi and DSiXL are $150 and up, yet the DS still trumps the PSP in worldwide sales. Not to mention, the software-less 3DS, at $250, is trumping the PSP worldwide, and obliterating the platform in America.

The thing Sony needs to understand, is that the handheld market is supposed to be made up of handheld games.



NYANKS on 28 June 2011
thismeintiel said:
I think with the price announcement, Sony has proven they aren't playing around this time. I think they are going to make sure that they will always have some good titles just around the corner, without any droughts. And it looks like they are going to have very good 1st and 3rd party support for the Vita from the start, something Sony had in the PS1 and PS2 days. And an exclusive COD, as well as other FPS franchises, with proper controls may help push some big sales in the US. In Japan, Sony is going to be helped by the momentum from support for their current systems of late.

Also, while a price cut for the 3DS around this holiday season would be a smart move, I think Nintendo is going to try and have at least one holiday at full price. Besides, cutting the price of the 3DS before its even a year old would look like a FUD move. It would give people the impression that Nintendo isn't confident in their HW. If there is a price cut, it would most likely come sometime mid-late 2012, and be ~$50. Which Sony will probably answer with a ~$25 cut of their own just before Holiday 2012, still making it look like the better value, overall. Anyway, this year Vita and 3DS are going toe to toe at the same price. Something that will benefit the Vita, greatly.

This sounds about right, and I hope you're right!  Go Vita!



Final-Fan on 28 June 2011
HappySqurriel said:
By the time the PS Vita will be released in all regions and its post-launch game drought will be comming to an end the 3DS will have seen a price reduction, will potentially have a re-design that adresses most of the issues people have with the hardware, Nintendo and third party publishers will regularly be releasing interesting core titles, and Nintendo will start releasing market-expanding titles on regular intervals.

At about this time, DS interest will begin to drop off rapidly and people will be looking to upgrade to the next generation, and backwards compatiblitiy, the lower price point, a larger library, and the steady release of titles that interest DS owners will enable Nintendo to recapture the bulk of these users.

This could pretty much end the thread IMO if people were interested in discussing well-founded predictions for a future timeframe of reasonably small proportions. 
But most people are focused on the misty far future and/or wearing fanboy goggles so it got completely ignored. 

(Admittedly the misty far future is exactly the subject of the OP so there you go.) 



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WiseOwl on 28 June 2011

Absolutely not, the 3DS will win it out in the long run. They will put out a new Pokemon on store shelves and that thing will explode.



sales2099 on 28 June 2011

its simple: 3ds

- the headstart is a no pressure way to gain a free lead. Bad launch lineup? who cares when ur competitor isnt out yet?

- PS Vita missing a Europe christmas? bad move

- Proven fact that handheld releases of popular ps3 franchises (lbp, modnation, etc) sell far less then ps3 counterparts.

- Nintendo has mario kart and mario 3d coming out this year.....games that each sold over 20 million on the ds.

- most sensible gamers are waiting for the price cut/slim 3ds like nintendo ALWAYS does with handhelds.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.