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A couple of interviews with Sony execs have come to light implying Sony will either be selling Vita at a break even price point, or at a small loss.  If it's sold at a loss, the loss will be relatively far less than that of the ps3 at launch.  They also say that the Vita enterprise as a whole should be profitable from the outset.

First is a quote from Shuhei Yoshida, the head of SCEWWS:

IGN: Most everyone was surprised by the $249.99 price announcement, including a lot of third-party publishers. How important was it for Sony to get to that point and will the company make a profit on the console sold out of the gate?

Yoshida: At the very start of this project a bunch of us core members went to Japan and spent a day discussing what it is that we wanted to achieve with the new PlayStation portable device. One of the goals was to hit the right price point, which was actually $250. So at the very beginning we agreed that we're going to hit $250. But during that time we were still recovering from the difficultly we had with the high cost of goods with PlayStation 3 where the company lost a lot of money. We asked consumers to spend a lot of money to purchase what, at that time, was bleeding-edge technology. That was great from a technical standpoint but the technology has to mature enough so that a reasonable price can be put on the performance.

For Vita, the price on performance was something we definitely wanted to hit, although we all agreed because we are PlayStation, people expect better graphics and prettier pictures, so we have all those things we wanted to achieve in terms of capabilities, but we capped our ambitions with a cost of goods target that we can profitably sell the hardware for $250.

To answer your question, we set out a goal: Yes, we're going to hit the $250 price, and no, we don't want to sell the hardware with a deficit. That's a goal we set out to do and I'm very happy we are achieving that.

IGN: So you're going to be profitable with each Vita sold?

Yoshida: We haven't completed the hardware development. It's like 98-percent done in terms of hardware, and on the system software side and network code, we have a few more months to work on that. We don't have the final-final answer to that question, but the way we are projecting it seems like we're going to do pretty well.

Second are some quotes from SCEE's Andrew House from Eurogamer and GamesIndustry.biz:

Eurogamer: Kaz Hirai was quoted as saying it'll be sold as a loss with a view to making a profit in three years. Is that just the way it has to be these days in order to build an installed base?

Andrew House: We have operated by and large very successfully around a model that works on what we call a blended margin. We have very low margins or possibly negative margins on the hardware, offset by a much more attractive margin structure on software and peripherals.

We'll manage the business very much in that same way for Vita.

Q: The PS Vita price was a nice surprise at E3. But at that price is the system going to be sold at a loss form day one?

Andrew House: I think as a business it will definitely be profitable from day one. In terms of hardware specifically, it's really not something we tend to comment on, but I would say it will be a significantly better situation than for example, the PlayStation 3. This is in a much, much healthier place from a profitability stand point.


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Good for sony



So Kaz says the are selling at for a loss, but this guy says that they are not. Are they selling it for a loss or not?



IamAwsome said:
So Kaz says the are selling at for a loss, but this guy says that they are not. Are they selling it for a loss or not?

Kaz is the bigger boss, so, I'd take his words over that other guy.



IamAwsome said:
So Kaz says the are selling at for a loss, but this guy says that they are not. Are they selling it for a loss or not?


What the other two are saying is that if anything it will be a minor loss (as in no where near the PS3 situation) and one that software will easily make-up for. 

What Kaz stated is that the system won't be selling for a profit for 3 years.

These 2 statement's don't really contradict each other because if the losses from PSVita are kept low enough for the software to easily cover them until 3 years when selling it at a profit won't be a problem, they're both still very true.

I think what this means is that when ever SONY can find a way to say, shave 30$ off what ever it costs to get the system on store shelves, a pricecut would soon follow to keep the system competitive. This goes on until production is very low and selling the system at a loss won't be difficult. You have to remember that 250$ isn't mass-market price for a handheld so it won't be at the price forever.



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IamAwsome said:
So Kaz says the are selling at for a loss, but this guy says that they are not. Are they selling it for a loss or not?

Where does it say they are definitely not selling it for a loss?  These statements don't necessarily conflict with what Kaz said.  Hell, his statements are even mentioned in one of the above interviews.

Even still, there are three possilibites when it comes to Kaz's statement:

  1. The original Japanese interview was mistranslated.
  2. Kaz was including R&D costs into his estimate of when hardware should be profitable.
  3. They expect to take a reasonable hit per unit sold initially (<$50), but will still lose money over those three years due to rigorous price cutting or other factors.

Ultimately, it's two English interviews with two different executives vs a single Japanese interview with Kaz Hirai.



makingmusic476 said:
IamAwsome said:
So Kaz says the are selling at for a loss, but this guy says that they are not. Are they selling it for a loss or not?

Where does it say they are definitely not selling it for a loss?  These statements don't necessarily conflict with what Kaz said.  Hell, his statements are even mentioned in one of the above interviews.

Even still, there are three possilibites when it comes to Kaz's statement:

  1. The original Japanese interview was mistranslated.
  2. Kaz was including R&D costs into his estimate of when hardware should be profitable.
  3. They expect to take a reasonable hit per unit sold initially (<$50), but will still lose money over those three years due to rigorous price cutting or other factors.

Ultimately, it's two English interviews with two different executives vs a single Japanese interview with Kaz Hirai.

Hmmm... I didn't think that over as a possibility. Would explain the "3 years" statement very cleanly.



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Could it be that they are talking about different regions?

It may not be profitable in NA while it may be profitable in EU n Japan

EU especially since we get ripped off n pay more than the rest of the world.



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darthdevidem01 said:
Could it be that they are talking about different regions?

It may not be profitable in NA while it may be profitable in EU n Japan

EU especially since we get ripped off n pay more than the rest of the world.


Might have something to do with VAT built into the price. While North America has price labeled before Taxation. (I know you guys are still being ripped off, but not as much, as some people make it out to be). 



 

That's pretty good news!



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