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Do you believe the USA government was involved in 9/11?

Yes 181 40.58%
 
No 201 45.07%
 
Maybe 61 13.68%
 
Total:443
cyberninja45 said:

After reading some comments I realize that there are  two types people here. One that believes 9/11 was a conspiracy, and one that does not. And have to say the ones that doesnt are the ones who sounds  foolish.
I mean they are 'officially' and unwittingly arguing that tall buildings were designed to be  death traps for themselves. i.e. designed to implode rapidly on them (without the need for explosives charges) giving little/no time for evacuation .

And they ague this proudly to LOL. Well I hope yall are proud to be AmericansXD.

I was unaware that mandating that skyskrapers must be able to withstand the impact of a jumbo jetliner full of fuel and traveling at speeds exceeding 600mph was part of the International Building Code prior to 9/11... or at all.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

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Areym said:
NightDragon83 said:
Areym said:
I wish I could participate in the debate but sadly my knowledge of this is very minimal. I do believe, from what I've seen and know, the USA government was involved or let it happen, as the OP states.

Oh, and just what exactly is it that you've "seen and know" that led you to believe that the US government was involved or carried out the attacks that was different from what millions of us right here in the NY/NJ metro area witnessed right in front of our own lying eyes?  Homemade YouTube videos or foreign media reports?  Please.

For anyone to believe in any conspiracy regarding 9/11, you either have to have a predisposed negative viewpoint of the US and/or its government, or you are simply to young to actually remember the attacks, and just believe everything you see and hear on YouTube and nutty websites like Infowars and PrisonPlanet.


Yeah. foreign and youtube videos, is there a problem? I mean that's where the truth most likely would lie, from the people, not the goverment officials. A foreigner would have a less biased perspective or more biased, who knows. Look man, I don't see why it bothers you that we believe on somethign different. I've heard stories, spoken to a few people and yes, watched some youtube videos and came to a conclusion and if that bothers you, that we think differently or bash your beloved goverment, well that's just ice on the conspiracy cake.

No problem at all... so if I "speak to a few people"  regarding the Japanese earthquake and tsnunami disaster, and then post a YouTube video proclaming that the government lied to the Japanese people regarding the extent of the meltdown and radiation, and also accuse them of not doing enough to protect the people of Japan and creating a hazardous situation that allowed the disaster to become as extensive as it was by building nuclear reactors right near the coast in a well-known earthquake-prone region of the world... well then, that would be "the truth" because it's coming from me as opposed to government officials who always lie, right?

Governments aren't the only ones who can spread and disseminate propaganda on "the people", you know.  And that's all the 9/11 Truther crap is... propaganda spread by people who either have way too much time on their hands or who so wish it to be true because they have a deep-seeded hatred for the US.

It's the same thing with the "Birthers"... people who are so opposed to the idea of a black man of Kenyan descent being president that they refuse to believe he's a bonafide US citizen that they spend all their time spreading disinformation about his origins around the internet hoping that they will stick.  Whether it's cries about "building 7" or the "long form birth certificate", it's all the same bullshit, just wrapped up in different packages.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

NightDragon83 said:
cyberninja45 said:

After reading some comments I realize that there are  two types people here. One that believes 9/11 was a conspiracy, and one that does not. And have to say the ones that doesnt are the ones who sounds  foolish.
I mean they are 'officially' and unwittingly arguing that tall buildings were designed to be  death traps for themselves. i.e. designed to implode rapidly on them (without the need for explosives charges) giving little/no time for evacuation .

And they ague this proudly to LOL. Well I hope yall are proud to be AmericansXD.

I was unaware that mandating that skyskrapers must be able to withstand the impact of a jumbo jetliner full of fuel and traveling at speeds exceeding 600mph was part of the International Building Code prior to 9/11... or at all.

Amm.... I think there is a difference between ''not withstanding impact'', and imploding rapidly/suddenly with little or no time for evacuation u know.

And wasnt the official explanation was the heat weakening a section in the upper steel structure is what caused the implosion XD? (Which means if there was somehow no fire after the impact the building would  still be standing today). Does this  also mean that all you have to do for a skyscrapers to implode suddenly/rapidly on YOU is just to weaken the a small section upper steel structures with heat?( No explosives necessary but maybe something to remove the fireproofing)  And does this  means skyscrapers are death traps?

So either way u argue dude is either a conspiracy theory or death trap theory.



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cyberninja45 said:
NightDragon83 said:
cyberninja45 said:

After reading some comments I realize that there are  two types people here. One that believes 9/11 was a conspiracy, and one that does not. And have to say the ones that doesnt are the ones who sounds  foolish.
I mean they are 'officially' and unwittingly arguing that tall buildings were designed to be  death traps for themselves. i.e. designed to implode rapidly on them (without the need for explosives charges) giving little/no time for evacuation .

And they ague this proudly to LOL. Well I hope yall are proud to be AmericansXD.

I was unaware that mandating that skyskrapers must be able to withstand the impact of a jumbo jetliner full of fuel and traveling at speeds exceeding 600mph was part of the International Building Code prior to 9/11... or at all.

Amm.... I think there is a difference between ''not withstanding impact'', and imploding rapidly/suddenly without chance for evacuation u know.


For one thing they didn't collapse straight after being hit, with one burning for about an hour and the other for about on hour and a half before they collapsed. If you're talking about how fast the actual collapse itself occured - that is just a matter of momentum.

They were not designed to be death traps but a large building collapsing simply is one.



Rath said:
cyberninja45 said:
NightDragon83 said:
cyberninja45 said:

After reading some comments I realize that there are  two types people here. One that believes 9/11 was a conspiracy, and one that does not. And have to say the ones that doesnt are the ones who sounds  foolish.
I mean they are 'officially' and unwittingly arguing that tall buildings were designed to be  death traps for themselves. i.e. designed to implode rapidly on them (without the need for explosives charges) giving little/no time for evacuation .

And they ague this proudly to LOL. Well I hope yall are proud to be AmericansXD.

I was unaware that mandating that skyskrapers must be able to withstand the impact of a jumbo jetliner full of fuel and traveling at speeds exceeding 600mph was part of the International Building Code prior to 9/11... or at all.

Amm.... I think there is a difference between ''not withstanding impact'', and imploding rapidly/suddenly without chance for evacuation u know.


For one thing they didn't collapse straight after being hit, with one burning for about an hour and the other for about on hour and a half before they collapsed. If you're talking about how fast the actual collapse itself occured - that is just a matter of momentum.

They were not designed to be death traps but a large building collapsing simply is one.

I never said it collapsed straight away but it imploded suddenly/rapidly before any chance for evacuation.(meaning the time between the jet collided and the implosion )



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cyberninja45 said:

I never said it collapsed straight away but it imploded suddenly/rapidly before any chance for evacuation.(meaning the time between the jet collided and the implosion )


The time between when the jet collided and the implosion was an hour for one tower and an hour and a half for the other. In this time thousands of people were succesfully evacuated.

I really don't get what you're saying here?



Rath said:
cyberninja45 said:
 

I never said it collapsed straight away but it imploded suddenly/rapidly before any chance for evacuation.(meaning the time between the jet collided and the implosion )


The time between when the jet collided and the implosion was an hour for one tower and an hour and a half for the other. In this time thousands of people were succesfully evacuated.

I really don't get what you're saying here?

Thousands of people evacuated doesn't mean an evacuation(full) of the building. Thousands of people died, thats not a successful evacuation.



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cyberninja45 said:
Rath said:
cyberninja45 said:
 

I never said it collapsed straight away but it imploded suddenly/rapidly before any chance for evacuation.(meaning the time between the jet collided and the implosion )


The time between when the jet collided and the implosion was an hour for one tower and an hour and a half for the other. In this time thousands of people were succesfully evacuated.

I really don't get what you're saying here?

Thousands of people evacuated doesn't mean an evacuation(full) of the building. Thousands of people died, thats not a successful evacuation.


You're saying that the collapse must be on purpose because the building was not able to be fully evacuated beforehand? That makes no sense, they were lucky to be able to evacuate as many as they did - in building collapses that rarely happens.



Arguing with idiots (In this case 911 conspiracy theorists) is pointless becuase by arguing with them you show you are stupid enough to think they need recognition.



cyberninja45 said:

Thousands of people evacuated doesn't mean an evacuation(full) of the building. Thousands of people died, thats not a successful evacuation.

The vast majority of people who died in the WTC were those who died in the planes or in the building on impact, firefighters, or people who were above the point of impact.  How would you suggest they had been evacuated?  There were an estimated 14-17 thousand people in the towers at the time of the attacks.  Approximately 50 out of the 220 floors were either at the point of impact or above it.  That is 22.7%, if you take the middle of the two estimates and remove emergency personnel, that means about 14.2% of the people in the towers at the time of impact didn't manage to evacuate in time.  It's not a good number by any means, but the best you could probably hope for in the situation.

Also why do you keep talking about it collapsing rapidly?  Have you ever seen a large building collapse slowly?  Buildings are meant to hold up the floors above them, not catch them as they fall.  Once the collapse began the force on each subsequent floor increased substantially due to gravity and the increased mass of the falling floors.