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Do you believe the USA government was involved in 9/11?

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sethnintendo said:

That wasn't my argument... I was merely pointing out that I didn't understand exactly what the sentence "because the horizontal reaction to the rate of angular momentum of the upper part would have exceeded the elasto plastic shear resistance of the story at least 10.3x" meant.


"If you CAN'T gurantee it will implode on itself rather then tip over... you don't get to build... cause you know, otherwise your basically going to play city dominoes."

If your statement was correct then why would we need expert demolition crews to demolish buildings? If all buildings that fail would just "implode" on itself. 

9/11 was nowhere near controlled. It basically demolished the city block around it as well - debris flew far from the towers.

Did you even watch the clip referring to the South tower? So the top part went from an angle of 20 or so degree and then straighten itself out? 

The top part went to an angle of 20 degrees or so and then resistance became too great due to the shear strength meaning that it no longer rotated any further. That's exactly what the paper we've just been talking about said!

The government couldn't even get their story right with the FEMA report.  An amazing $600,000 was spent to investigate it at first (FEMA report).  So the biggest attacks on USA soil and the government barely spends any money investigating (600k is a lot but the government knows how to blow 600k in an eye blink).   They pretty much destroyed all the evidence before any investigation could be completed.  They came to the conclusion of building #7 "The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapses remain unknown at this time".  That is a pretty damn good conclusion if you ask me.





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Riddle me this, Metallicube: You've been saying "there were explosions before the plane hit". Why would there be explosions before the plane hit?

I mean, I'm not even arguing that it didn't happen yet. What is the alleged reason for there to be explosions going off (for the conspiracy)?



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Riddle me this, Metallicube: You've been saying "there were explosions before the plane hit". Why would there be explosions before the plane hit?

I mean, I'm not even arguing that it didn't happen yet. What is the alleged reason for there to be explosions going off (for the conspiracy)?

Not exactly sure what you're asking.. Do you mean why did it go off when it did? It was either mistimed, or they assumed that with all the chaos nobody would have noticed the few seconds of the explosion before the plane struck the tower, being that the explosion was at the basement of the tower.

Or do you mean why have explosions in the basement in the first place? To weaken the infasturcture of the tower obviously. If you want to take a building like that down, you gotta crack it from the inside, and let it collapse in on itself.

Check out the William Rodriguez videos. Very fascinating stuff.



Metallicube said:
Final-Fan said:
Riddle me this, Metallicube: You've been saying "there were explosions before the plane hit". Why would there be explosions before the plane hit?

I mean, I'm not even arguing that it didn't happen yet. What is the alleged reason for there to be explosions going off (for the conspiracy)?

Not exactly sure what you're asking.. Do you mean why did it go off when it did? It was either mistimed, or they assumed that with all the chaos nobody would have noticed the few seconds of the explosion before the plane struck the tower, being that the explosion was at the basement of the tower.

Or do you mean why have explosions in the basement in the first place? To weaken the infasturcture of the tower obviously. If you want to take a building like that down, you gotta crack it from the inside, and let it collapse in on itself.

Check out the William Rodriguez videos. Very fascinating stuff.

[edit:  Upon reviewing the thread, I don't see where I got my idea of your claim, so I may have got it from hudson's post -- "Just seconds before you hear the planes hit there is a clear thump from an underground explosion" -- and misattributed it to you.  You and hudson may well, in fact, not believe what I was questioning.  See below.]

You claim there were explosions before the planes hit AND before the towers fell.  (If I somehow misunderstood something, and you only think there was one explosion for each tower (which happened when the planes hit), then oops, my mistake I guess, and never mind the rest.)  Obviously the second explosions were to bring the towers down.  But what is the point of the first explosions?  Why would they need to set off explosions when the planes hit, if the actual demolition charges wouldn't be set off till later?  Why have two separate detonations?  It makes no sense.

[edit:  If you agree with hudson, that there were "underground explosions", I ask you:  how could they possibly cause a collapse of the towers than began up at the levels the planes crashed on?] 



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sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

That wasn't my argument... I was merely pointing out that I didn't understand exactly what the sentence "because the horizontal reaction to the rate of angular momentum of the upper part would have exceeded the elasto plastic shear resistance of the story at least 10.3x" meant.


"If you CAN'T gurantee it will implode on itself rather then tip over... you don't get to build... cause you know, otherwise your basically going to play city dominoes."

If your statement was correct then why would we need expert demolition crews to demolish buildings? If all buildings that fail would just "implode" on itself. 

Did you even watch the clip referring to the South tower? So the top part went from an angle of 20 or so degree and then straighten itself out? 

The government couldn't even get their story right with the FEMA report.  An amazing $600,000 was spent to investigate it at first.  So the biggest attacks on USA soil and the government barely spends any money investigating.   They pretty much destroyed all the evidence before any investigation could be completed.

 

See, this is the problem with this thread.  Your disporven, move on to another debunked theory, and just keep moving on as things keep getting debunked until you recycle your way around to other debunked things.

All of your arguements have been heard before many times over... and been rejected several times over because they're all contigent on cherry picking and outright removing sentences from eyewitness accounts.

I am just wondering if we are watching the same videos.  So after you look at all the videos you see nothing wrong with the collapses at all? 

 

Can you admit that the investigation should have been more thorough?  Should they have waited till the investigation was complete before they pretty much scrapped all the evidence?  The government even switched their stories from the FEMA report to the NIST.  They originally stated that the bolts failed then went to that the fires warped the steel.  So not even the government had their official story right.


I think that the case should have been kept open... but why waste all the tax payers dollars when its basically an open and shut case?

And no, there isnt anything wrong with the collapses... they are definatly not controlled. You can tell that from the puffs of dust alone. it goes from high to low as the building falls not expells from the bottom like controlled demos.

Open and shut case when the FEMA report couldn't even explain the collapse of building #7 due to sporadic fires.  Sounds open and shut case to me.   So let me get this straight.  It was okay for Ken Starr to spend about 6.2 million to investigate whether or not Bill Clinton got his dick sucked (39.2 million if you factor in Starr investigating Clinton's whitewater deal and Lewinsky; Besides Starr, five other independent counsels are currently conducting investigations. Four of those focus on the Clinton Administration. The combined costs of those four inquiries and the Starr probe now comes to 79.3 million).  So we spent 79.3 million investigating the Clintons when the government spent 600k for the first investigation of 9/11.

47.4 million was spent by Lawrence Walsh on the eight year investigation of Reagan Administration officials involved in the Iran-contra affair.  Did we even investigate going to war in Iraq?  So we spent all these millions on investigations yet we couldn't even spend 1 million for the initial FEMA report for the biggest attack on USA soil?

http://articles.cnn.com/1999-04-01/politics/counsel.probe.costs_1_special-counsel-probe-david-m-barrett?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

 

I am just pointing out the the priorities seem to be a little out of focus for the USA.   We seem to care 100x more about whether a President got his dick sucked and lied about it then a President, Vice President, and Defense Secretary spreading lies and misinformation to start a war that USA didn't need to fight.   Let me tell you I was so scared of Iraq before Operation Iraqi Freedom campaign.  I could have sworn Saddam was about to attack us...  That must be the reason why we went into Iraq right?  



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saddam over played his hand. he wanted to continue to act the defiant big shot expecting that if something did happen, it would just be a limited bombing campaign. well he was wrong.



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saddam over played his hand. he wanted to continue to act the defiant big shot expecting that if something did happen, it would just be a limited bombing campaign. well he was wrong.


Yep, he should have known we were more interested in invading his country and trying to privatize their oil rights.



I've figured it all out, it was the ultimate false flag operation!

Everyone "knows" al Qaeda did it, right? But really it was the Israelis, who in turn were doing it at the request of our own government! ...Or so they thought!!

In reality, it was al Qaeda, masquerading as the shadow government that secretly rules the United States, that fooled the Israelis into doing 9/11 and blaming it on al Qaeda!!!

The perfect plan. And no one even suspected them ... until now.



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sethnintendo said:
Max King of the Wild said:
sethnintendo said:
Kasz216 said:
sethnintendo said:

That wasn't my argument... I was merely pointing out that I didn't understand exactly what the sentence "because the horizontal reaction to the rate of angular momentum of the upper part would have exceeded the elasto plastic shear resistance of the story at least 10.3x" meant.


"If you CAN'T gurantee it will implode on itself rather then tip over... you don't get to build... cause you know, otherwise your basically going to play city dominoes."

If your statement was correct then why would we need expert demolition crews to demolish buildings? If all buildings that fail would just "implode" on itself. 

Did you even watch the clip referring to the South tower? So the top part went from an angle of 20 or so degree and then straighten itself out? 

The government couldn't even get their story right with the FEMA report.  An amazing $600,000 was spent to investigate it at first.  So the biggest attacks on USA soil and the government barely spends any money investigating.   They pretty much destroyed all the evidence before any investigation could be completed.

 

See, this is the problem with this thread.  Your disporven, move on to another debunked theory, and just keep moving on as things keep getting debunked until you recycle your way around to other debunked things.

All of your arguements have been heard before many times over... and been rejected several times over because they're all contigent on cherry picking and outright removing sentences from eyewitness accounts.

I am just wondering if we are watching the same videos.  So after you look at all the videos you see nothing wrong with the collapses at all? 

 

Can you admit that the investigation should have been more thorough?  Should they have waited till the investigation was complete before they pretty much scrapped all the evidence?  The government even switched their stories from the FEMA report to the NIST.  They originally stated that the bolts failed then went to that the fires warped the steel.  So not even the government had their official story right.


I think that the case should have been kept open... but why waste all the tax payers dollars when its basically an open and shut case?

And no, there isnt anything wrong with the collapses... they are definatly not controlled. You can tell that from the puffs of dust alone. it goes from high to low as the building falls not expells from the bottom like controlled demos.

Open and shut case when the FEMA report couldn't even explain the collapse of building #7 due to sporadic fires.  Sounds open and shut case to me.   So let me get this straight.  It was okay for Ken Starr to spend about 6.2 million to investigate whether or not Bill Clinton got his dick sucked (39.2 million if you factor in Starr investigating Clinton's whitewater deal and Lewinsky; Besides Starr, five other independent counsels are currently conducting investigations. Four of those focus on the Clinton Administration. The combined costs of those four inquiries and the Starr probe now comes to 79.3 million).  So we spent 79.3 million investigating the Clintons when the government spent 600k for the first investigation of 9/11.

47.4 million was spent by Lawrence Walsh on the eight year investigation of Reagan Administration officials involved in the Iran-contra affair.  Did we even investigate going to war in Iraq?  So we spent all these millions on investigations yet we couldn't even spend 1 million for the initial FEMA report for the biggest attack on USA soil?

http://articles.cnn.com/1999-04-01/politics/counsel.probe.costs_1_special-counsel-probe-david-m-barrett?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

 

I am just pointing out the the priorities seem to be a little out of focus for the USA.   We seem to care 100x more about whether a President got his dick sucked and lied about it then a President, Vice President, and Defense Secretary spreading lies and misinformation to start a war that USA didn't need to fight.   Let me tell you I was so scared of Iraq before Operation Iraqi Freedom campaign.  I could have sworn Saddam was about to attack us...  That must be the reason why we went into Iraq right?  

Actually the FEMA report does explain this.

So, i guess you didn't read any of the reports, and instead just blindly went off of what crazy conspiracy theorists have said.



Why do people latch on to points that have been repeatedly and thoroughly disproven for years, to promote an idea that has no logic or common sense to begin with?