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So, in theory, the new PS 3D HDTV could allow 8-splitscreen mulltiplayer, right?

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Any 3D TV can do this btw. Its all in the glasses...Sonys glasses close both lenses at the same time, every odd frame.

Glasses Shutter sequence for this is as follows.

Player 1: Frame 1 - both eyes open; frame 2 - both eyes closed; frame 3 - both eyes open...etc
Player 2: Frame 1 - both eyes closed; frame 2 - both eyes open; frame 3 - both eyes closed...etc

And yes...4 player split screen done like this could support 8 different players.

I am fairly certain that within 6 months some other company will release a device which combines 2 signals in to 1 3D signal and works with any 3D TV using a new pair of shutter glasses.



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disolitude said:

Any 3D TV can do this btw. Its all in the glasses...Sonys glasses close both lenses at the same time, every odd frame.

Glasses Shutter sequence for this is as follows.

Player 1: Frame 1 - both eyes open; frame 2 - both eyes closed; frame 3 - both eyes open...etc
Player 2: Frame 1 - both eyes closed; frame 2 - both eyes open; frame 3 - both eyes closed...etc

And yes...4 player split screen done like this could support 8 different players.

I am fairly certain that within 6 months some other company will release a device which combines 2 signals in to 1 3D signal and works with any 3D TV using a new pair of shutter glasses.


As menioned above, it already has ghosting. Trying to make 8-player splitscreen in this is impossible as far as actually getting a useable picture. 



naznatips said:
disolitude said:

Any 3D TV can do this btw. Its all in the glasses...Sonys glasses close both lenses at the same time, every odd frame.

Glasses Shutter sequence for this is as follows.

Player 1: Frame 1 - both eyes open; frame 2 - both eyes closed; frame 3 - both eyes open...etc
Player 2: Frame 1 - both eyes closed; frame 2 - both eyes open; frame 3 - both eyes closed...etc

And yes...4 player split screen done like this could support 8 different players.

I am fairly certain that within 6 months some other company will release a device which combines 2 signals in to 1 3D signal and works with any 3D TV using a new pair of shutter glasses.


As menioned above, it already has ghosting. Trying to make 8-player splitscreen in this is impossible as far as actually getting a useable picture. 

I wouldn't expect any more from this monitor for 499 from Sony...even 2 player probably looks pretty bad considering the ghosting and resolution drop. However something like a 3D projector has 0 ghosting and is fully capable of doing this.

All we need now is for someone (VIP or Optoma im looking at you guys) to make a 3D converter box which takes 2 different 2D inputs at 60hz and combines it in to a signle shuttering 120 hz signal, and syncs it with its own custom double shuttering glasses...and taa daa! 2 xbox 360s + 2 Halo Reach games = 2 players playing on same screen ad full resolution.

VIP has been up to lots of crazy 3D shit...I expect them to have something like this already in the works. http://www.3d-vip.com/

I know the website is shady but these guys are the real deal. Way smarter than Sony, Samsung and rest of the clowns who made up the 3D HDMI 1.4 spec...



disolitude said:
naznatips said:
disolitude said:

Any 3D TV can do this btw. Its all in the glasses...Sonys glasses close both lenses at the same time, every odd frame.

Glasses Shutter sequence for this is as follows.

Player 1: Frame 1 - both eyes open; frame 2 - both eyes closed; frame 3 - both eyes open...etc
Player 2: Frame 1 - both eyes closed; frame 2 - both eyes open; frame 3 - both eyes closed...etc

And yes...4 player split screen done like this could support 8 different players.

I am fairly certain that within 6 months some other company will release a device which combines 2 signals in to 1 3D signal and works with any 3D TV using a new pair of shutter glasses.


As menioned above, it already has ghosting. Trying to make 8-player splitscreen in this is impossible as far as actually getting a useable picture. 

I wouldn't expect any more from this monitor for 499 from Sony...even 2 player probably looks pretty bad considering the ghosting and resolution drop. However something like a 3D projector has 0 ghosting and is fully capable of doing this.

All we need now is for someone (VIP or Optoma im looking at you guys) to make a 3D converter box which takes 2 different 2D inputs at 60hz and combines it in to a signle shuttering 120 hz signal, and syncs it with its own custom double shuttering glasses...and taa daa! 2 xbox 360s + 2 Halo Reach games = 2 players playing on same screen ad full resolution.

VIP has been up to lots of crazy 3D shit...I expect them to have something like this already in the works. http://www.3d-vip.com/

I know the website is shady but these guys are the real deal. Way smarter than Sony, Samsung and rest of the clowns who made up the 3D HDMI 1.4 spec...

The ghosting can also be caused by the glasses. If they don't close fast enough or aren't completely dark you'll be able to see the other picture. That tv probably doesn't come with the best 3D shutter glasses since those can be around 200 dollars a pair.

You're probably better of buying a 2nd tv and console and link the two consoles instead of buying 8 pairs of glasses.



SvennoJ said:
 

The ghosting can also be caused by the glasses. If they don't close fast enough or aren't completely dark you'll be able to see the other picture. That tv probably doesn't come with the best 3D shutter glasses since those can be around 200 dollars a pair.

You're probably better of buying a 2nd tv and console and link the two consoles instead of buying 8 pairs of glasses.


I believe most glasses have been improved to a point where this isn't an issue anymore. Only TVs themselves are the reason there is ghosting... But yes, I agree, 8 player split screen like this with 8 pairs of glasses is crazy.

What I want is I want 2 player full screen, full game res, no ghosting on 92 inch projector screen. That sounds a bit less insane right... :)



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disolitude said:
SvennoJ said:
 

The ghosting can also be caused by the glasses. If they don't close fast enough or aren't completely dark you'll be able to see the other picture. That tv probably doesn't come with the best 3D shutter glasses since those can be around 200 dollars a pair.

You're probably better of buying a 2nd tv and console and link the two consoles instead of buying 8 pairs of glasses.


I believe most glasses have been improved to a point where this isn't an issue anymore. Only TVs themselves are the reason there is ghosting... But yes, I agree, 8 player split screen like this with 8 pairs of glasses is crazy.

What I want is I want 2 player full screen, full game res, no ghosting on 92 inch projector screen. That sounds a bit less insane right... :)

Yup that would be nice. I played Killzone 3 and portal 2 splitscreen on a 92 inch screen and the size of the picture is not really the problem, it's the field of view that is cut off too much.

It would be better if those games shrunk the pictures a bit more and switched to 1080p output to get the same field of view in the correct aspect ratio. It is kinda nice to be able to see the other players screen in co-op after all.

Maybe next gen is powerful enough to do 2 player fullscreen in full detail that way with pip to see your co-op partners pov in a corner :) That doesn't even cost any extra power, simply shrink each picture and paste into the others view.



disolitude said:
naznatips said:
disolitude said:

Any 3D TV can do this btw. Its all in the glasses...Sonys glasses close both lenses at the same time, every odd frame.

Glasses Shutter sequence for this is as follows.

Player 1: Frame 1 - both eyes open; frame 2 - both eyes closed; frame 3 - both eyes open...etc
Player 2: Frame 1 - both eyes closed; frame 2 - both eyes open; frame 3 - both eyes closed...etc

And yes...4 player split screen done like this could support 8 different players.

I am fairly certain that within 6 months some other company will release a device which combines 2 signals in to 1 3D signal and works with any 3D TV using a new pair of shutter glasses.


As menioned above, it already has ghosting. Trying to make 8-player splitscreen in this is impossible as far as actually getting a useable picture. 

I wouldn't expect any more from this monitor for 499 from Sony...even 2 player probably looks pretty bad considering the ghosting and resolution drop. However something like a 3D projector has 0 ghosting and is fully capable of doing this.

All we need now is for someone (VIP or Optoma im looking at you guys) to make a 3D converter box which takes 2 different 2D inputs at 60hz and combines it in to a signle shuttering 120 hz signal, and syncs it with its own custom double shuttering glasses...and taa daa! 2 xbox 360s + 2 Halo Reach games = 2 players playing on same screen ad full resolution.

VIP has been up to lots of crazy 3D shit...I expect them to have something like this already in the works. http://www.3d-vip.com/

I know the website is shady but these guys are the real deal. Way smarter than Sony, Samsung and rest of the clowns who made up the 3D HDMI 1.4 spec...

I'm not sure if this technology is possible without ghosting. The TV looked great in normal 3D mode. 



naznatips said:
disolitude said:
naznatips said:
disolitude said:

Any 3D TV can do this btw. Its all in the glasses...Sonys glasses close both lenses at the same time, every odd frame.

Glasses Shutter sequence for this is as follows.

Player 1: Frame 1 - both eyes open; frame 2 - both eyes closed; frame 3 - both eyes open...etc
Player 2: Frame 1 - both eyes closed; frame 2 - both eyes open; frame 3 - both eyes closed...etc

And yes...4 player split screen done like this could support 8 different players.

I am fairly certain that within 6 months some other company will release a device which combines 2 signals in to 1 3D signal and works with any 3D TV using a new pair of shutter glasses.


As menioned above, it already has ghosting. Trying to make 8-player splitscreen in this is impossible as far as actually getting a useable picture. 

I wouldn't expect any more from this monitor for 499 from Sony...even 2 player probably looks pretty bad considering the ghosting and resolution drop. However something like a 3D projector has 0 ghosting and is fully capable of doing this.

All we need now is for someone (VIP or Optoma im looking at you guys) to make a 3D converter box which takes 2 different 2D inputs at 60hz and combines it in to a signle shuttering 120 hz signal, and syncs it with its own custom double shuttering glasses...and taa daa! 2 xbox 360s + 2 Halo Reach games = 2 players playing on same screen ad full resolution.

VIP has been up to lots of crazy 3D shit...I expect them to have something like this already in the works. http://www.3d-vip.com/

I know the website is shady but these guys are the real deal. Way smarter than Sony, Samsung and rest of the clowns who made up the 3D HDMI 1.4 spec...

I'm not sure if this technology is possible without ghosting. The TV looked great in normal 3D mode. 

Ghosting is cause by pixel response time latency, and it not being able to keep up with the shuttering of the glasses.  DLP based displays response time is around 16 micro seconds. Most really good 3D LCDs are at 2 mili seconds.

16 micro seconds = 0.016 milli seconds...so about 100 times faster than LCDs.

If one tech can do this ghosting-free, its DLP.



disolitude said:
naznatips said:

I'm not sure if this technology is possible without ghosting. The TV looked great in normal 3D mode. 

Ghosting is cause by pixel response time latency, and it not being able to keep up with the shuttering of the glasses.  DLP based displays response time is around 16 micro seconds. Most really good 3D LCDs are at 2 mili seconds.

16 micro seconds = 0.016 milli seconds...so about 100 times faster than LCDs.

If one tech can do this ghosting-free, its DLP.


You're going to have a hard time convincing people to switch back to DLCs as a main TV tech though. It sells a small fraction of LCD and LED, and even less than plasma, due to their enormous size and awful viewing angles.



naznatips said:
disolitude said:
naznatips said:

I'm not sure if this technology is possible without ghosting. The TV looked great in normal 3D mode. 

Ghosting is cause by pixel response time latency, and it not being able to keep up with the shuttering of the glasses.  DLP based displays response time is around 16 micro seconds. Most really good 3D LCDs are at 2 mili seconds.

16 micro seconds = 0.016 milli seconds...so about 100 times faster than LCDs.

If one tech can do this ghosting-free, its DLP.


You're going to have a hard time convincing people to switch back to DLCs as a main TV tech though. It sells a small fraction of LCD and LED, and even less than plasma, due to their enormous size and awful viewing angles.

I know that DLP TVs are dead, despite the last gen LED and laser based ones being rediculously good and completely destroying LCD based TVs for the time. I think you still have the images of the old school DLPs in your mind. They are not that big anymore, and the viewing angle is quite respectable on latest models. But I agree, that ship has sank...

Projectors however are a different story. DLP is killing the LCD projector as I am writing this... Projector big screen 3D gaming is where its at. :)