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selnor on 21 June 2011
CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:
CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:
CGI-Quality said:

That's funny selnor, you were one of the folks who opmpared the two (quite frequently at one point). Agai, I think it's interesting that they're now suddenly "not comparable". In truth, it's not about their game play that made them comparable. It was their situations (psycholohgical thriller, exclusive to one console, similar ideas in nature - story driven and full of suspense). The game play is very different, yes, but they have enough in common to be compared.

Again, it's off-topic. It was only used to make a point, in which the poster who said Meta determines what's better or not agreed that the title with higher Meta "is the better title". 

I haven't changed anything. What I said was they both were pushing storytelling and breaking the mould. However I meant in there respective genres. I in no way meant or instigated that they were the same genre or even remotely played the same. Both games aimed for new depths. That's it.

They are not comparable in any other instance than what I said above.

You compared them often (going as far as to tell me how much better AW would look than HR as well as how much better the game play would be). It was certainly enough to contradict what you're saying in here, but that's fine, no need to explore it any further. In the end, they are comparable, which is all I was saying (but wasn't my point regarding the comparison of the games).

Now now CGI. That's a huge cluster of straws there. C'mon.

U know very well comparing graphics and whether I think its a better game does not make them comparable in the sense you are in this thread. Personal preference aside. The games are not comparable.

What preferences are apparent here? Also, there isn't any straw pulling, you have compared them plenty, particularly when you thought it was appropriate (doing so even in this thread). Seems it's only right to "compare" them when it suits an argument, but maybe I see it wrong.

In any event, it doesn't matter in any significant way selnor, they aren't what my point was mainly about. If you didn't want to involve yourself in the debate, you shouldn't continue to perpetuate it now.

I've compared unchaterd to crysis in the same way. Doesn't mean their scores are comparable. Comparing graphics or storytelling etc does not make 2 completely differing genre games comparable.



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slowmo on 21 June 2011
CGI-Quality said:
slowmo said:

The above are personal preference and not facts so nobody needs to get their knickers in a twist. In my opinion going forward, the number of fans is so heavily biased in favour of GT for historic reasons, that it can only start swinging in Forza's favour if they keep releasing quality games. I doubt it would be "the" sim racer though unless PD released a turkey by accident (very unlikely).

Not trying to sound ugly, but that could also be said of Halo or CoD. In other words, they could release a turd and people would still love it, otherwise both franchises have a heavy bias because of a. historic reasons or b. huge fanbase. I'm willing to give the latter the edge, which I would also apply to GT. People just prefer it over Forza, in the same way more people prefer Halo or CoD over Killzone. Credit where credit is due right?

ODST was in some peoples opinion their "turd" and it still sold so I don't see how I can argue the point if I wanted to.  All I meant was that Forza is most likely to gain favour as GT has more fans to lose presently.  I wasn't saying it's likely to become the fans favourite in total, just the support it receives would be more in proportion with what you'd expect given the quality of both franchises being so similar (at least to me they are).



selnor on 21 June 2011
CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:
CGI-Quality said:

What preferences are apparent here? Also, there isn't any straw pulling, you have compared them plenty, particularly when you thought it was appropriate (doing so even in this thread). Seems it's only right to "compare" them when it suits an argument, but maybe I see it wrong.

In any event, it doesn't matter in any significant way selnor, they aren't what my point was mainly about. If you didn't want to involve yourself in the debate, you shouldn't continue to perpetuate it now.

I've compared unchaterd to crysis in the same way. Doesn't mean their scores are comparable. Comparing graphics or storytelling etc does not make 2 completely differing genre games comparable.

You've completely missed the point and I haven't got the patience to explain it again. 

I haven't missed the point. You and others were saying Alan wake was. Comparable to heavy rain in meta scores. When they aren't. Forza and gt are. Sven though I don't agree with doing so.

Just because some of us compared 2 games on some points, does not make them comparable across genres. Many of us compare cross genre games on different points.

But when using metacritic ( if people must ) it should be strictly genre to genre. Forget what people compare with personal taste when using meta.

Like I said though, I don't like meta. Because it only inflates the current medias broken. Review systems se have.





selnor on 22 June 2011

Ok lets leave it then.  as i read the thread differently. =D



toastboy44562 on 22 June 2011

forza 4 will be more of a hit than forza 3. kinect owners will buy it to justify buying kinect i think



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sales2099 on 27 June 2011

GT is a great sim but a lacking video game. Inferior community features, car personalization, and the 800 ps2 cars just made me raise an eyebrow....wondering what they were doing for 5 years.

Forza on the other hand releases only AAA games (90+ on metacritic), and comes out every 2 years.

Frequent releases, maintains AAA quality, more community oriented. its a no brainer to me.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 05 July 2011

its all about the racing and if the cars don't fill as realistic as they should then its not the sim for you.



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Jazz2K on 05 July 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
its all about the racing and if the cars don't fill as realistic as they should then its not the sim for you.


Some people like the whole package not just the racing. It's fun to look at cars and get info on them, it's fun to tune them and paint them. F4 adds so much content to the franchise I feel like some one said that GT5 feels like a lacking video game. Even if the cars are photo realistic, once you got used to the graphics then except for doing endless events there's not much to do. 



mendozahotness on 05 July 2011

As long as the GT series continues its decline and the Forza series continues its sales increase the last "win" GT had of being "bigger" evaporates.

It terms of scores, Forza seems to have it in the bag. Given the extended development of further Polyphony games, the major concern for them is the continued undercutting of the genre by Turn 10's incredibly efficient game making process.



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Jay520 on 05 July 2011

LOL, why did you bring this thread back to life?