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Chrizum said:
Carl2291 said:
Chrizum said:

You implied it. You basically stated Nintendo copied HD with their new system. While stating this, you fail to understand that variable resolutions were common even 15 years ago. If you really think Nintendo has "copied" HD, then Sony "copied" the 640x480 resolution for PS2 from N64's Expansion Pack.

Yes, Nintendo fans often exaggerate Nintendo's "inventions" and Sony does innovate more than they get credit for. But don't act ignorant, you're only contributing to the idiocy with these silly claims.

No. No I didn't imply it. Stop putting words into my mouth. I never once implied Sony invented high definition. The key words in my post were "and not following the crowd". I never once mentioned a specific company.

As for Sony copying the 640x480... I don't care. If I cared, I would have put it in my post. My post though, had nothing to do with Sony copying stuff. As you can see in there, I was aiming it at the holy Nintendo.

These threads are getting annoying. A bunch of Nintendo fans seem to think there must be a thread every 6 Months explaining how Nintendo innovate all the time, never copy anything, and Sony are the evil copiers who never do anything new. Thankfully, I wasn't the only person here who decided to shit on the thread. Nintendo have copied a lot more than people, for some reason, like to admit.

So tell me, what did you imply with your posts "I currently think Nintendo did the right thing by putting HD gaming on the Wii, and not following the crowd. I see no reason why I shouldnt keep bringing up one of the many things Nintendo copied in the 400th "Sony copied Nintendo!" thread."


hmmm did you read what he said? he explained it pretty clearly ya know



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Chrizum said:

So tell me, what did you imply with your posts "I currently think Nintendo did the right thing by putting HD gaming on the Wii, and not following the crowd. I see no reason why I shouldnt keep bringing up one of the many things Nintendo copied in the 400th "Sony copied Nintendo!" thread."

I wasn't implying anything.

I actually said that Nintendo have followed the crowd and played copy cat by putting HD on the Wii U, just as we've seen before with the 360 and PS3.

Again. I never once said Sony invented high definition.



Chrizum said:

So tell me, what did you imply with your posts "I currently think Nintendo did the right thing by putting HD gaming on the Wii, and not following the crowd. I see no reason why I shouldnt keep bringing up one of the many things Nintendo copied in the 400th "Sony copied Nintendo!" thread."

For the lazy he meant:

He thinks Nintendo, as in Ninty, did the right thing when they put HD gaming on the Wii. Being sarcastic, he meant they did the wrong thing to not put HD on Wii, and that the PS3 and Xbox beat them at it.

Given the context of the post, he means that PS3 and Xbox beat Nintendo at innovating and Nintendo failed at it because the former came out with HD gaming first.

True inventors they are.

I understand what you're trying to do Carl, and can appreciate some of the better examples in this thread, but that particular case is just a sample of unfounded arguments that feed into this darn thing of baseless bashing. Mind you we all do it, so who am I to judge. But at least it's good we can point it out to see how we can fix it!



padib said:

For the lazy he meant:

He thinks Nintendo, as in Ninty, did the right thing when they put HD gaming on the Wii. Being sarcastic, he meant they did the wrong thing to not put HD on Wii, and that the PS3 and Xbox beat them at it.

Given the context of the post, he means that PS3 and Xbox beat Nintendo at innovating and Nintendo failed at it because the former came out with HD gaming first.

True inventors they are.

I understand what you're trying to do Carl, and can appreciate some of the better examples in this thread, but that particular case is just a sample of unfounded arguments that feed into this darn thing of baseless bashing. Mind you we all do it, so who am I to judge. But at least it's good we can point it out to see how we can fix it!


-sigh-

My post isn't about who "invented" HD gaming. I don't care about who invented it. My post was about how Nintendo aren't the big huge innovators people make them out to be, and they too "copy" from time to time. The constant "bashing", as you say, is always on Sony in these threads. Hence why I also had the analogue nub point after it.

I don't see why it's so hard to grasp. Really.



Carl2291 said:
Chrizum said:

So tell me, what did you imply with your posts "I currently think Nintendo did the right thing by putting HD gaming on the Wii, and not following the crowd. I see no reason why I shouldnt keep bringing up one of the many things Nintendo copied in the 400th "Sony copied Nintendo!" thread."

I wasn't implying anything.

I actually said that Nintendo have followed the crowd and played copy cat by putting HD on the Wii U, just as we've seen before with the 360 and PS3.

Again. I never once said Sony invented high definition.

Basically what I'm trying to say is what padib above me is saying. "Going HD" is not copying anything. HD is not some innovation, it's just a buzz term for higher resolutions, just like "HI-RES" was back in the N64 days with the Expansion Pack.

Again, yes Nintendo does copy things and yes Sony does innovate things. I'd argue Nintendo is known more for their bald innovation moves than Sony, but that's beside the point. What you're trying do here, and in many more similar threads, is pointing the finger to guys starting a fire, whilst putting more oil on said fire yourself. And with a bad argument to boot!



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Chrizum said:

Basically what I'm trying to say is what padib above me is saying. "Going HD" is not copying anything. HD is not some innovation, it's just a buzz term for higher resolutions, just like "HI-RES" was back in the N64 days with the Expansion Pack.

Again, yes Nintendo does copy things and yes Sony does innovate things. I'd argue Nintendo is known more for their bald innovation moves than Sony, but that's beside the point. What you're trying do here, and in many more similar threads, is pointing the finger to guys starting a fire, whilst putting more oil on said fire yourself. And with a bad argument to boot!


That's not what you're trying to say at all... lol, you've been accusing me of "implying" Sony invented HD, or something like that...

HD is not an innovation, but it's a major component to have on your console. Nintendo didn't feel the need for it with Wii, Microsoft and Sony wanted it on 360/PS3. Look what happened there with actual 3rd party support.

Now, so many Years later, with a huge lack of meaningful 3rd party support, Nintendo finally decide that HD is needed. Hence, one of the key focuses of the Wii U reveal being on the graphical power of the machine and how "nice" things look in shiny HD. Iwata is saying a lack of HD was one of Wii's main failures, and a reason why it failed to attract a certain gamer. HD has been made huge this generation, and Nintendo are late to the party with it. They're putting tech into the Wii U that has been around for Years already on competing devices.

Nintendo have copied the idea of putting HD into the console. This is a fact. I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of it.



Carl2291 said:
Chrizum said:

Basically what I'm trying to say is what padib above me is saying. "Going HD" is not copying anything. HD is not some innovation, it's just a buzz term for higher resolutions, just like "HI-RES" was back in the N64 days with the Expansion Pack.

Again, yes Nintendo does copy things and yes Sony does innovate things. I'd argue Nintendo is known more for their bald innovation moves than Sony, but that's beside the point. What you're trying do here, and in many more similar threads, is pointing the finger to guys starting a fire, whilst putting more oil on said fire yourself. And with a bad argument to boot!


That's not what you're trying to say at all... lol, you've been accusing me of "implying" Sony invented HD, or something like that...

HD is not an innovation, but it's a major component to have on your console. Nintendo didn't feel the need for it with Wii, Microsoft and Sony wanted it on 360/PS3. Look what happened there with actual 3rd party support.

Now, so many Years later, with a huge lack of meaningful 3rd party support, Nintendo finally decide that HD is needed. Hence, one of the key focuses of the Wii U reveal being on the graphical power of the machine and how "nice" things look in shiny HD. Iwata is saying a lack of HD was one of Wii's main failures, and a reason why it failed to attract a certain gamer. HD has been made huge this generation, and Nintendo are late to the party with it. They're putting tech into the Wii U that has been around for Years already on competing devices.

Nintendo have copied the idea of putting HD into the console. This is a fact. I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of it.

I'm not making a big deal out of it because, while Nintendo has obviously "copied" a lot of things, HD gaming isn't one of them, because HD isn't an innovation or even an invention. Higher resolutions are a natural progression of graphical development. Would you claim the 360 "copied" multi-core processers or that PS2 "copied" higher RAM gaming? No, you would not, because it'd be ridiculous. Claiming Nintendo copied higher resolution gaming is just that: ridiculous.

I'm not getting into third party support and whatnot because that is extremely off-topic.



Carl2291 said:
Chrizum said:

You implied it. You basically stated Nintendo copied HD with their new system. While stating this, you fail to understand that variable resolutions were common even 15 years ago. If you really think Nintendo has "copied" HD, then Sony "copied" the 640x480 resolution for PS2 from N64's Expansion Pack.

Yes, Nintendo fans often exaggerate Nintendo's "inventions" and Sony does innovate more than they get credit for. But don't act ignorant, you're only contributing to the idiocy with these silly claims.

No. No I didn't imply it. Stop putting words into my mouth. I never once implied Sony invented high definition. The key words in my post were "and not following the crowd". I never once mentioned a specific company.

As for Sony copying the 640x480... I don't care. If I cared, I would have put it in my post. My post though, had nothing to do with Sony copying stuff. As you can see in there, I was aiming it at the holy Nintendo.

These threads are getting annoying. A bunch of Nintendo fans seem to think there must be a thread every 6 Months explaining how Nintendo innovate all the time, never copy anything, and Sony are the evil copiers who never do anything new. Thankfully, I wasn't the only person here who decided to shit on the thread. Nintendo have copied a lot more than people, for some reason, like to admit.

But me (that started this thread) have more esteem for Sony because they actually care to make better stuff even when others start trends in the industry. Nintendo is very stubborn on delivering what their fans want. So yes Sony copies successes from others but there's nothing absolutely wrong if your version is 100% better!



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No.
Making it technically better doesn't mean it's used in a better way.

Many of the things Sony copied, or Nintendo copied for that matter, aren't innovations, are things that are meant to be industry standards.

If Sony didn't add analog sticks, rumble, motion, they wouldn't be going in the right direction.

Same with people saying Nintendo copied HD, online and analog nubs.



Carl2291 said:

-sigh-

My post isn't about who "invented" HD gaming. I don't care about who invented it. My post was about how Nintendo aren't the big huge innovators people make them out to be, and they too "copy" from time to time. The constant "bashing", as you say, is always on Sony in these threads. Hence why I also had the analogue nub point after it.

I don't see why it's so hard to grasp. Really.

I do understand what your post was about, that Nintendo aren't the big huge innovators and whatnot. Reread my post and you'll see I understood. All I'm saying is, when you're doing that, to keep things constructive, try to use an example that's more relevant or more meaningful, otherwise naturally some will feel like it's pure bashing.

Carl2291 said:
Chrizum said:

Basically what I'm trying to say is what padib above me is saying. "Going HD" is not copying anything. HD is not some innovation, it's just a buzz term for higher resolutions, just like "HI-RES" was back in the N64 days with the Expansion Pack.

Again, yes Nintendo does copy things and yes Sony does innovate things. I'd argue Nintendo is known more for their bald innovation moves than Sony, but that's beside the point. What you're trying do here, and in many more similar threads, is pointing the finger to guys starting a fire, whilst putting more oil on said fire yourself. And with a bad argument to boot!


That's not what you're trying to say at all... lol, you've been accusing me of "implying" Sony invented HD, or something like that...

HD is not an innovation, but it's a major component to have on your console. Nintendo didn't feel the need for it with Wii, Microsoft and Sony wanted it on 360/PS3. Look what happened there with actual 3rd party support.

Now, so many Years later, with a huge lack of meaningful 3rd party support, Nintendo finally decide that HD is needed. Hence, one of the key focuses of the Wii U reveal being on the graphical power of the machine and how "nice" things look in shiny HD. Iwata is saying a lack of HD was one of Wii's main failures, and a reason why it failed to attract a certain gamer. HD has been made huge this generation, and Nintendo are late to the party with it. They're putting tech into the Wii U that has been around for Years already on competing devices.

Nintendo have copied the idea of putting HD into the console. This is a fact. I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of it.

Now here, I can't disagree with you. But don't you realize that it's off topic. You can argue all you want that Nintendo makes some poor business decisions, and I'll second you on that. (I will add though that they are very ready as well to correct those mistakes, especially as of late)

But, to say Nintendo copied the idea of putting HD into consoles. I'd have to say, Nintendo certainly knew about that option, it doesn't take to be a genius to think about that possibility. Can't prove it to ya, but I'm positive. What they did though is, instead of making the right business decision and integrate HD in its graphics capabilities, it chose not to. Does that make it less innovative? Does it later make it a copier? I would say no. It would however make that decision a not so good one. Reason: they lost some consumer trust end of lifecycle. For the first 4 years it was fine, but now with the competition showing some strength, we're starting to feel it's about time Wii's older brother came and saved it from damage.

Just my point of view.