Did I say that the Dualshock design was completely original? ...No.

What I am saying though is that the design hasn't moved on from there, the number of buttons and the button placements hasn't changed or has only changed slightly for most controllers released today, especially 3rd party PC controllers.

You implied it. You basically stated Nintendo copied HD with their new system. While stating this, you fail to understand that variable resolutions were common even 15 years ago. If you really think Nintendo has "copied" HD, then Sony "copied" the 640x480 resolution for PS2 from N64's Expansion Pack.

Yes, Nintendo fans often exaggerate Nintendo's "inventions" and Sony does innovate more than they get credit for. But don't act ignorant, you're only contributing to the idiocy with these silly claims.

No. No I didn't imply it. Stop putting words into my mouth. I never once implied Sony invented high definition. The key words in my post were "and not following the crowd". I never once mentioned a specific company.

As for Sony copying the 640x480... I don't care. If I cared, I would have put it in my post. My post though, had nothing to do with Sony copying stuff. As you can see in there, I was aiming it at the holy Nintendo.

These threads are getting annoying. A bunch of Nintendo fans seem to think there must be a thread every 6 Months explaining how Nintendo innovate all the time, never copy anything, and Sony are the evil copiers who never do anything new. Thankfully, I wasn't the only person here who decided to shit on the thread. Nintendo have copied a lot more than people, for some reason, like to admit.

So tell me, what did you imply with your posts "I currently think Nintendo did the right thing by putting HD gaming on the Wii, and not following the crowd. I see no reason why I shouldnt keep bringing up one of the many things Nintendo copied in the 400th "Sony copied Nintendo!" thread."

So tell me, what did you imply with your posts "I currently think Nintendo did the right thing by putting HD gaming on the Wii, and not following the crowd. I see no reason why I shouldnt keep bringing up one of the many things Nintendo copied in the 400th "Sony copied Nintendo!" thread."

For the lazy he meant:

He thinks Nintendo, as in Ninty, did the right thing when they put HD gaming on the Wii. Being sarcastic, he meant they did the wrong thing to not put HD on Wii, and that the PS3 and Xbox beat them at it.

Given the context of the post, he means that PS3 and Xbox beat Nintendo at innovating and Nintendo failed at it because the former came out with HD gaming first.

True inventors they are.

I understand what you're trying to do Carl, and can appreciate some of the better examples in this thread, but that particular case is just a sample of unfounded arguments that feed into this darn thing of baseless bashing. Mind you we all do it, so who am I to judge. But at least it's good we can point it out to see how we can fix it!

I wasn't implying anything.

I actually said that Nintendo have followed the crowd and played copy cat by putting HD on the Wii U, just as we've seen before with the 360 and PS3.

Again. I never once said Sony invented high definition.

Basically what I'm trying to say is what padib above me is saying. "Going HD" is not copying anything. HD is not some innovation, it's just a buzz term for higher resolutions, just like "HI-RES" was back in the N64 days with the Expansion Pack.

Again, yes Nintendo does copy things and yes Sony does innovate things. I'd argue Nintendo is known more for their bald innovation moves than Sony, but that's beside the point. What you're trying do here, and in many more similar threads, is pointing the finger to guys starting a fire, whilst putting more oil on said fire yourself. And with a bad argument to boot!

That's not what you're trying to say at all... lol, you've been accusing me of "implying" Sony invented HD, or something like that...

HD is not an innovation, but it's a major component to have on your console. Nintendo didn't feel the need for it with Wii, Microsoft and Sony wanted it on 360/PS3. Look what happened there with actual 3rd party support.

Now, so many Years later, with a huge lack of meaningful 3rd party support, Nintendo finally decide that HD is needed. Hence, one of the key focuses of the Wii U reveal being on the graphical power of the machine and how "nice" things look in shiny HD. Iwata is saying a lack of HD was one of Wii's main failures, and a reason why it failed to attract a certain gamer. HD has been made huge this generation, and Nintendo are late to the party with it. They're putting tech into the Wii U that has been around for Years already on competing devices.

Nintendo have copied the idea of putting HD into the console. This is a fact. I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of it.

No. No I didn't imply it. Stop putting words into my mouth. I never once implied Sony invented high definition. The key words in my post were "and not following the crowd". I never once mentioned a specific company.

As for Sony copying the 640x480... I don't care. If I cared, I would have put it in my post. My post though, had nothing to do with Sony copying stuff. As you can see in there, I was aiming it at the holy Nintendo.

These threads are getting annoying. A bunch of Nintendo fans seem to think there must be a thread every 6 Months explaining how Nintendo innovate all the time, never copy anything, and Sony are the evil copiers who never do anything new. Thankfully, I wasn't the only person here who decided to shit on the thread. Nintendo have copied a lot more than people, for some reason, like to admit.