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lightbleeder on 13 June 2011
Icyedge said:
ninty_shareholder64 said:
Doobie_wop said:
Nintendo are probably the least innovative manufacturer in the biz, Sony copies Nintendo's copied concepts, it's like stealing from a thief. Outside of maybe the rumble and the two screens on the DS, they haven't done that much. Now Sega is a whole different story, they've pretty much had a hand in nearly everything.

Sony works on old concepts and makes them better, every improvised concept they've done has basically become an industry standard (dual analogue, built in rumble, BC in consoles, optical media). This thread is an innocent one, but claiming Nintendo is innovative only means that you don't know to much about gaming history. I don't like when credit is given to undeserving companies, people could at leas be a little bit respectful towards the real creators of analogue sticks, touch screen gaming, 3D plat-forming, side scrolling plat-formers and console motion controls and not just throw all the praise on Nintendo just because they had the marketing budget to make the concepts well known.

The process of creating something new is always a long way. There are very many different people and/or companies involved. Of course analogue control, rumble, motion-controls etc. were invented before Ninty used it for their current console. Nevertheless, it was Ninty that invented these features as console-specific features, so of course Ninty innovates.

Do you think optical media, built in rumble etc. was invented from the very beginning from Sony? min 3 of your 4 arguments are rediculous, imo. dual analogue after Ninty built N64 controler, built in rumble after Ninty introduced it and optical media, you know the Saturn right?

So every company adds something new in the end. And i agree with the conclusion that Ninty introduced many things on the console market and Sony makes them better . There's never given credit to the basic researchers, i doubt you know any of them.

Don't forget, without Ninty Sony most probably wouldn't be part of the gaming market at all.


Ok, so when Nintendo take it from the PC and arcade to apply it to N64, which is the first 3D centric home console, its great innnovation. But when Sony decide to implement a second analog to control camera its lame and unimaginative.

Not at all! It just proves that Sony truly wants to give the best hardware to its clients (except when the SixAxis didn't have rumble). Nintendo sometimes just gives people hardware that is very easy to improve, so that means that Nintendo sometimes fails to deliver the best features their controllers could



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Michael-5 on 13 June 2011
Acevil said:
Michael-5 said:
Acevil said:


Improvements are still under the fine line of innovation. At least in what I been learning in the past couple of years. Pretty much around this saying taken from Wiki "The central meaning of innovation thus relates to renewal or improvement, with novelty being a consequence of this improvement." Also I think sony does a good job of innovation in the sense of what you mean as well. The incorporation of DVD and Blu-ray into a device, that also plays games (don't say PC) :P. 

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In this case every company can be considered innovative. I think the original post as refering to controller layouts, not system specifications.

In a sense, every technology company has to innovate to survive, no company can truly sit-back on something . The level of innovation may vary (Some might introduce new-to-world, some might just add a better design to an existing product). 

The original poster was talking about controller layouts, and honestly this thread went to hell fast. 


I only read the first and last page, great comment. Really, just great length, volcabulary, and it's makes a point very clearly. I agree with you 100%

Is this why Sega and Atari died? lol joking, Sega died because Sega US and Sega Japan were two separate companies with separate headquarters, which didn't collaborate well.



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WiseOwl on 13 June 2011

Sony has mastered the art of stealing. But they should have never copied the Wii remote. Sony gave the sixaxis motion controls but it was short lived, yuk. Then they was the first to say the Wii remote is a gimmick. Then they copied the Wii remote to be the Wii HD system.



Heavenly Sigma on 13 June 2011

In alot of ways the Wii U controller is an improved PSP streaming PS3. So Sony will just stick with The Vita or other handhelds that come along. So can we say say  Nintendo copied this one?



 Go Team Venture! I still don't get the Wii, PS Move,  and Kinect.

RiksK15 on 13 June 2011

What the hell, is all this about? Who cares who got ideas from whom, as long as we get a good product?



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Play4Fun on 13 June 2011
Heavenly Sigma said:

In alot of ways the Wii U controller is an improved PSP streaming PS3. So Sony will just stick with The Vita or other handhelds that come along. So can we say say  Nintendo copied this one?


Or, you know, it's improving on what they did with GBA and GC.



Paul on 13 June 2011
d21lewis said:
http://www.retrogamingconsoles.com/consoles/nintendo-entertainment-system/nes-accessories-3rd-party/

I was looking for a pic of the "Super Controller" that we bought for $5 back when (that pic ^^^ reminded me of them) and I stumbled onto this site of gaming retro goodness. Look at all of this awesome stuff that was ahead of its time!

Great find, now we have proof that the Wii U controller was stollen from  the mega controller which incorporated an LCD screen.

I'll be sure to pull this out the next time Nintendo fanboys try to pull out the inovation argument.

Mega

Released in 1987 by Bandai, the Mega controller was so amazing, they had to plaster MEGA across the face of the controller!

The controller was programmable and allowed you to set buttons to turbo, slow motion etc. A puzzle game could also be played on the LCD screen.

 



Heavenly Sigma on 13 June 2011
Play4Fun said:
Heavenly Sigma said:

In alot of ways the Wii U controller is an improved PSP streaming PS3. So Sony will just stick with The Vita or other handhelds that come along. So can we say say  Nintendo copied this one?


Or, you know, it's improving on what they did with GBA and GC.


In the begining sure.  But when you can Play control your system from any wifi spot(usually with alot of lag out of the house. the Wii U controller or 3ds can't do this), Play one or two of the home consoles games streaming over it you have to give  start giving Sony credit somewhere. 



 Go Team Venture! I still don't get the Wii, PS Move,  and Kinect.

d21lewis on 13 June 2011
Paul said:
d21lewis said:
http://www.retrogamingconsoles.com/consoles/nintendo-entertainment-system/nes-accessories-3rd-party/

I was looking for a pic of the "Super Controller" that we bought for $5 back when (that pic ^^^ reminded me of them) and I stumbled onto this site of gaming retro goodness. Look at all of this awesome stuff that was ahead of its time!

Great find, now we have proof that the Wii U controller was stollen from  the mega controller which incorporated an LCD screen.

I'll be sure to pull this out the next time Nintendo fanboys try to pull out the inovation argument.

Mega

Released in 1987 by Bandai, the Mega controller was so amazing, they had to plaster MEGA across the face of the controller!

The controller was programmable and allowed you to set buttons to turbo, slow motion etc. A puzzle game could also be played on the LCD screen.

 

 


Oh, you can probably find twenty controllers with screens on them from over the years.  Heck, the Dreamcast had a screen on its memory cards that let you view stats, play mini games, and take 'em with you.  Just look up VMU.



Paul on 13 June 2011
Heavenly Sigma said:
Play4Fun said:
Heavenly Sigma said:

In alot of ways the Wii U controller is an improved PSP streaming PS3. So Sony will just stick with The Vita or other handhelds that come along. So can we say say  Nintendo copied this one?


Or, you know, it's improving on what they did with GBA and GC.


In the begining sure.  But when you can Play control your system from any wifi spot(usually with alot of lag out of the house. the Wii U controller or 3ds can't do this), Play one or two of the home consoles games streaming over it you have to give  start giving Sony credit somewhere. 

And let's not forget that the Mega controller had an LCD screen that you could play a puzzle game on.... just saying......