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Vashyo on 12 June 2011

Nothing is confirmed about the specs expect it supporting 1080p, which sucks. Knowing Nintendo some third party will have to break it apart and release the true specs...

They said it will likely cost more than 249$. On the otherhand they wanted it to be priced competitively so they could still cheap out on the parts. So it having 4870x2 line is not very likely (if it even has the rumored R700 GFX-card).

I don't think it can do 120fps on 1080p unless the game itself is really simple and not graphically intensive.



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o_O.Q on 12 June 2011
kcoward said:
o_O.Q said:
Roma said:
It does not matter what you show or tell people they will not believe it even if they see it :P
You tell them this is an apple and they say no this is an orange so I say whatever I don’t care believe what you want.

The garden demo we saw beats everything that is on the HD consoles and the thing is we have only seen it through cam! imagine how good it would look if we got an official release to look at.

"The garden demo we saw beats everything that is on the HD consoles"

im not trying to bash or anything here but i honestly don't see what you're talking about this is the tech demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRE_se1t9A

for comparison heres a video of infamous 2 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTQ4X9tgnkI

how was the tech demo any better?

Infamous 2 looks cartoonish compared to that bird on the tree. You really want to start an argument you know you already lost?

and thats your opinion as its mine that as someone whos played hd console games the demo wasn't special and games like infamous 2 imo are comparable or even better than what was shown



HappySqurriel on 12 June 2011
disolitude said:
HappySqurriel said:
When you look at what other R700 based GPUs can do, and then factor in some improvement due to modifications and developers optimizing for the particular GPU in the Wii U, I would not be surprised to find out that the Wii U could play current HD console games at 1080p with a frame-rate of 120fps with the higher detail models and textures from the PC version.

To put it another way, while the Wii U will (probably) not be state of the art technology by the time it is released the hardware in it will probably be about 5 years newer than the HD consoles. With how much further ahead the technology is, it shouldn't be difficult to support a higher resolution, better frame-rate and more detailed graphics.


Unless they stick a 4870 X2 in to WiiU, I don't see it doing anything at 120 frames per second at 1080p. Maybe 720p...

1080p@60 frames per second would be quite doable though with the best R700 based GPU. I doubt they would be doing much improvements to it, other than die shrinks...my guess is Wiiu gpu will be 32nm when it comes out in 2012.

You have to remember that it will be a heavily customized GPU, and developers will put far more resources into getting decent performance out of this GPU in particular than they ever would for the PC counterpart.

Using an example from Nintendo, the basic technology and design of the Gamecube's GPU was (mostly) in line with what was released on graphics cards in that were a few years old when it was released; but the extensive modifications to the GPU meant that it required a GPU released years after the Gamecube to surpass it when developers fully utilized the system. To see what I mean simply go look at what the minimum requirements for Resident Evil 4 was when it was released on the PC ...

 

To put it another way, using the Gamecube approach as a template to producing a high performance low cost system it would not be unreasonable to suggest that the GPU in the Wii U might perform at a similar level to a GPU released a year or two after it.



Marks on 12 June 2011

1080p will be more than sufficient for next gen by the look of it. Hopefully it handles 60 frames per second and has better lighting, textures, etc. than current gen games. 



tarheel91 on 12 June 2011
disolitude said:
HappySqurriel said:
When you look at what other R700 based GPUs can do, and then factor in some improvement due to modifications and developers optimizing for the particular GPU in the Wii U, I would not be surprised to find out that the Wii U could play current HD console games at 1080p with a frame-rate of 120fps with the higher detail models and textures from the PC version.

To put it another way, while the Wii U will (probably) not be state of the art technology by the time it is released the hardware in it will probably be about 5 years newer than the HD consoles. With how much further ahead the technology is, it shouldn't be difficult to support a higher resolution, better frame-rate and more detailed graphics.


Unless they stick a 4870 X2 in to WiiU, I don't see it doing anything at 120 frames per second at 1080p. Maybe 720p...

1080p@60 frames per second would be quite doable though with the best R700 based GPU. I doubt they would be doing much improvements to it, other than die shrinks...my guess is Wiiu gpu will be 32nm when it comes out in 2012.

My laptop with a 4850 ran Mass Effect at 60-80fps during hectic gameplay, 120fps was a common sight on quieter parts.  This was at 1920x1200 and 4XAA with all the effects set to max.



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sc94597 on 12 June 2011

 http://gamasutra.com/view/news/35118/Wii_U_Will_Have_AMD_Radeon_HD_IBM_Power_Microprocessors_And_25_GB_Discs.php

 

"Nintendo also partnered with AMD to use the company's custom AMD Radeon HD GPU in Wii U, bringing high definition graphics to a Nintendo console for the first time -- something gamers have been clamoring for from the platform holder for some time.


AMD says the GPU reflects the best characteristics of its graphics technology solutions, offering "high-definition graphics support; rich multimedia acceleration and playback; and multiple display support".


"AMD shares Nintendo’s excitement for the new HD entertainment experience planned for the Wii U console,” says AMD's Silicon Enginerring corporate vice president David Wang.


"He adds, We’re proud to provide our leading-edge HD multimedia graphics engine to power the new entertainment features of the console. Nintendo is a highly-valued customer and we look forward to the launch in 2012."

Related news:"

 

 

What we know about the gpu:

- Has the HD label. 

- Has multiple display technology(Eyefinity?) 

- If it does have Eyefinity incorporated, then it is either based on the R8XX or Nintendo and AMD incorporated Eyefinity into a R7XX based GPU. 

- Must pull of effects present in the Nature Tech Demo

- It musn't be so weak that it acts as a bottleneck in the system relative to the Power 7-based cpu. 

So a custom GPU based on the R7XX or R8XX families makes the most sense. 



sc94597 on 12 June 2011
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
o_O.Q said:
Roma said:
It does not matter what you show or tell people they will not believe it even if they see it :P
You tell them this is an apple and they say no this is an orange so I say whatever I don’t care believe what you want.

The garden demo we saw beats everything that is on the HD consoles and the thing is we have only seen it through cam! imagine how good it would look if we got an official release to look at.

"The garden demo we saw beats everything that is on the HD consoles"

im not trying to bash or anything here but i honestly don't see what you're talking about this is the tech demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRE_se1t9A

for comparison heres a video of infamous 2 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTQ4X9tgnkI

how was the tech demo any better?

Infamous 2 looks cartoonish compared to that bird on the tree. You really want to start an argument you know you already lost?

and thats your opinion as its mine that as someone whos played hd console games the demo wasn't special and games like infamous 2 imo are comparable or even better than what was shown

This isn't something soley based on opinion. Technical achievements can be measured and compared. We just need the right person with the right knowledge to make judement. I'm sure there are a lot of posts on one of the many gaming forums where people have made such comparisons. The only post I've read that gives such a breakdown is Fazz's in the "Wii U'nderpowered" thread. 



MaulerX on 12 June 2011

I don't know. Them saying the console is "1080p" is really not saying much. Now, if they said games would run in Native 1080p (which they have not) then that would be a different story.

Now, if the Wii U had the massive power to handle Native 1080p at 120fps (as some have suggested) then why in the world did they not mention it at E3? They decided to focus on the controller because by their own admittance it is the best part of the console.

Personally I believe the Wii U will be SLIGHTLY more powerful than the current HD consoles, but will easily be bested by Sony's and Microsoft's next offerings.



disolitude on 12 June 2011
tarheel91 said:
disolitude said:
HappySqurriel said:
When you look at what other R700 based GPUs can do, and then factor in some improvement due to modifications and developers optimizing for the particular GPU in the Wii U, I would not be surprised to find out that the Wii U could play current HD console games at 1080p with a frame-rate of 120fps with the higher detail models and textures from the PC version.

To put it another way, while the Wii U will (probably) not be state of the art technology by the time it is released the hardware in it will probably be about 5 years newer than the HD consoles. With how much further ahead the technology is, it shouldn't be difficult to support a higher resolution, better frame-rate and more detailed graphics.


Unless they stick a 4870 X2 in to WiiU, I don't see it doing anything at 120 frames per second at 1080p. Maybe 720p...

1080p@60 frames per second would be quite doable though with the best R700 based GPU. I doubt they would be doing much improvements to it, other than die shrinks...my guess is Wiiu gpu will be 32nm when it comes out in 2012.

My laptop with a 4850 ran Mass Effect at 60-80fps during hectic gameplay, 120fps was a common sight on quieter parts.  This was at 1920x1200 and 4XAA with all the effects set to max.





SnesTea on 12 June 2011
ps3_jrpg_gamer said:
wait for a real game footage and not some tech demos(yes i am talking for zelda) to see at what level really are that graphics of this console

Better than the Zelda tech demo. Just going by history

 

Twilight Princess graphics > Zelda SpaceWorld 2000 tech demo

Ocarina of Time graphics > Zelda 1995 Shoshinkai show tech demo