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kcoward on 10 June 2011
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
spiffiness said:
Tizona said:
I don't understand why people think it will be so easy for the Vita/PS3 combo to be linked. I didn't see anything in the Sony conference that really made me think they could be linked in a way similar to the Wii U. I understood the Ruin demo, and talking about being able to play the game on both platforms and such, but nothing was said about being able to use the Vita as a controller or extra screen for PS3 games. Did I miss something? (not being sarcastic, really did I miss something?) I'm not saying it's not possible, but some seem to have jumped to the conclusion that it is inevitable.


Probably because the PS3 and PSP can already be linked in some way through Remote Play, where games and movies on the PS3 can be streamed to the PSP. It's not that much of a stretch for PSVita to have a little bit more functionality than that.

Thats through cloud saving not infa red streaming. Sony would need a whole new system and technology to do what WiiU is doing. Im not saying its impossible for Sony to do im just saying its impossible on the PS3. Remember its the WiiU console that does all the work for the display on the controller. The controller itself has no processor so all the work is done by some kinda technology in the console.


you don't know what you're talking about here watch this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswJEYDm_cg

there has been streaming of video and game content between psp and ps3 for years now since vita is more powerful it is highly feasable that it would offer increased streaming features

Yeah but you will still need a peripheral to stream live gameplay to the vita with zero latency. Its easier to just design a console to do that.


you're not really making any sense as i demonstrated the psp is already capable of a wireless connection with the ps3 for streaming games and content.... this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswJEYDm_cg

contradicts just about everything you've said more specifically "you will still need a peripheral to stream live gameplay" that is exactly whats going on in the video the psp is used to control the ps3 and stream the game to the psp... you either didn't watch the video or didn't understand what you were seeing

Thats streaming over a network. I do that on my pc from remote locations and it has delays.



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o_O.Q on 10 June 2011
kcoward said:
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
spiffiness said:
Tizona said:
I don't understand why people think it will be so easy for the Vita/PS3 combo to be linked. I didn't see anything in the Sony conference that really made me think they could be linked in a way similar to the Wii U. I understood the Ruin demo, and talking about being able to play the game on both platforms and such, but nothing was said about being able to use the Vita as a controller or extra screen for PS3 games. Did I miss something? (not being sarcastic, really did I miss something?) I'm not saying it's not possible, but some seem to have jumped to the conclusion that it is inevitable.


Probably because the PS3 and PSP can already be linked in some way through Remote Play, where games and movies on the PS3 can be streamed to the PSP. It's not that much of a stretch for PSVita to have a little bit more functionality than that.

Thats through cloud saving not infa red streaming. Sony would need a whole new system and technology to do what WiiU is doing. Im not saying its impossible for Sony to do im just saying its impossible on the PS3. Remember its the WiiU console that does all the work for the display on the controller. The controller itself has no processor so all the work is done by some kinda technology in the console.


you don't know what you're talking about here watch this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswJEYDm_cg

there has been streaming of video and game content between psp and ps3 for years now since vita is more powerful it is highly feasable that it would offer increased streaming features

Yeah but you will still need a peripheral to stream live gameplay to the vita with zero latency. Its easier to just design a console to do that.


you're not really making any sense as i demonstrated the psp is already capable of a wireless connection with the ps3 for streaming games and content.... this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswJEYDm_cg

contradicts just about everything you've said more specifically "you will still need a peripheral to stream live gameplay" that is exactly whats going on in the video the psp is used to control the ps3 and stream the game to the psp... you either didn't watch the video or didn't understand what you were seeing

Thats streaming over a network. I do that on my pc from remote locations and it has delays.

no it isn't its a direct connection between the ps3 and psp... its the same concept as the wii u that is to say the ps3 does the processing but streams the audio and video to the psp wirelessly

heres a better video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASdFCTNA7I&feature=related

...and obviously if the psp is already capable of that i think we can be fairly certain that the vita will be capable of a similar experience to the wii u but we'll have to wait and see



kcoward on 10 June 2011
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
spiffiness said:
Tizona said:
I don't understand why people think it will be so easy for the Vita/PS3 combo to be linked. I didn't see anything in the Sony conference that really made me think they could be linked in a way similar to the Wii U. I understood the Ruin demo, and talking about being able to play the game on both platforms and such, but nothing was said about being able to use the Vita as a controller or extra screen for PS3 games. Did I miss something? (not being sarcastic, really did I miss something?) I'm not saying it's not possible, but some seem to have jumped to the conclusion that it is inevitable.


Probably because the PS3 and PSP can already be linked in some way through Remote Play, where games and movies on the PS3 can be streamed to the PSP. It's not that much of a stretch for PSVita to have a little bit more functionality than that.

Thats through cloud saving not infa red streaming. Sony would need a whole new system and technology to do what WiiU is doing. Im not saying its impossible for Sony to do im just saying its impossible on the PS3. Remember its the WiiU console that does all the work for the display on the controller. The controller itself has no processor so all the work is done by some kinda technology in the console.


you don't know what you're talking about here watch this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswJEYDm_cg

there has been streaming of video and game content between psp and ps3 for years now since vita is more powerful it is highly feasable that it would offer increased streaming features

Yeah but you will still need a peripheral to stream live gameplay to the vita with zero latency. Its easier to just design a console to do that.


you're not really making any sense as i demonstrated the psp is already capable of a wireless connection with the ps3 for streaming games and content.... this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswJEYDm_cg

contradicts just about everything you've said more specifically "you will still need a peripheral to stream live gameplay" that is exactly whats going on in the video the psp is used to control the ps3 and stream the game to the psp... you either didn't watch the video or didn't understand what you were seeing

Thats streaming over a network. I do that on my pc from remote locations and it has delays.

no it isn't its a direct connection between the ps3 and psp... its the same concept as the wii u that is to say the ps3 does the processing but streams the audio and video to the psp wirelessly

heres a better video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASdFCTNA7I&feature=related

...and obviously if the psp is already capable of that i think we can be fairly certain that the vita will be capable of a similar experience to the wii u but we'll have to wait and see

Yes it does stream over a wireless network :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Play

It also has latency issues. We will have to wait and see but i still say Sony will have to build a console from the ground yup or sell an add on to do what the WiiU is doing.



o_O.Q on 10 June 2011
kcoward said:
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
o_O.Q said:
kcoward said:
spiffiness said:
Tizona said:
I don't understand why people think it will be so easy for the Vita/PS3 combo to be linked. I didn't see anything in the Sony conference that really made me think they could be linked in a way similar to the Wii U. I understood the Ruin demo, and talking about being able to play the game on both platforms and such, but nothing was said about being able to use the Vita as a controller or extra screen for PS3 games. Did I miss something? (not being sarcastic, really did I miss something?) I'm not saying it's not possible, but some seem to have jumped to the conclusion that it is inevitable.


Probably because the PS3 and PSP can already be linked in some way through Remote Play, where games and movies on the PS3 can be streamed to the PSP. It's not that much of a stretch for PSVita to have a little bit more functionality than that.

Thats through cloud saving not infa red streaming. Sony would need a whole new system and technology to do what WiiU is doing. Im not saying its impossible for Sony to do im just saying its impossible on the PS3. Remember its the WiiU console that does all the work for the display on the controller. The controller itself has no processor so all the work is done by some kinda technology in the console.


you don't know what you're talking about here watch this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswJEYDm_cg

there has been streaming of video and game content between psp and ps3 for years now since vita is more powerful it is highly feasable that it would offer increased streaming features

Yeah but you will still need a peripheral to stream live gameplay to the vita with zero latency. Its easier to just design a console to do that.


you're not really making any sense as i demonstrated the psp is already capable of a wireless connection with the ps3 for streaming games and content.... this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswJEYDm_cg

contradicts just about everything you've said more specifically "you will still need a peripheral to stream live gameplay" that is exactly whats going on in the video the psp is used to control the ps3 and stream the game to the psp... you either didn't watch the video or didn't understand what you were seeing

Thats streaming over a network. I do that on my pc from remote locations and it has delays.

no it isn't its a direct connection between the ps3 and psp... its the same concept as the wii u that is to say the ps3 does the processing but streams the audio and video to the psp wirelessly

heres a better video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASdFCTNA7I&feature=related

...and obviously if the psp is already capable of that i think we can be fairly certain that the vita will be capable of a similar experience to the wii u but we'll have to wait and see

Yes it does stream over a wireless network :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Play

It also has latency issues. We will have to wait and see but i still say Sony will have to build a console from the ground yup or sell an add on to do what the WiiU is doing.

...wow look man im not really sure if you're being serious now or what but the connection is a direct connection via wifi between ps3 and psp

from your link

"Remote Play works by encoding a live video stream of the output image on a PlayStation 3, then delivering it over a wireless network connection to a PlayStation Portable"

to further clarify :

"The Remote Play functionality originally did not work with the 20GB configuration of the PlayStation 3 as it lacks Wi-Fi"

and finally from the videos i presented it is clear that there were no latency issues here have another look :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASdFCTNA7I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswJEYDm_cg



dahuman on 11 June 2011

It won't matter unless every PS3 sold in the future comes with a Vita, Move, and PSEye for 350 bucks which would have weaker graphics, when the Wii U releases /shrug



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manuel on 11 June 2011

Of course it should be possible to link PS3 and Vita.
But the big problem is that developers can never assume that everybody who buys the game has both consoles. The connectivity would just be an added bonus.

With the WiiU the developers know that every user has the screen attachment and they can plan and design the game accordingly.

Every piece of hardware that is sold as an add-on (or the like) separately will fragment the market and in most cases will only lead to half-hearted implementation.



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