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oniyide on 10 June 2011
padib said:
Xen said:

And no, most teen-young adult gamers have no affection for Nintendo, and most see it as kiddy thanks to the fine efforts by Sega, Sony, and Microsoft (more Xbox than MS, but Xbox IS MS :P ). That is the demographic they're trying to capture, and that is the demographic that will be well occupied by PS3 and 360 until they are both succeeded. Multiplats aren't gonna win them any new sales, especially by the time it releases against a cheaper PS3 and 360 with far more robust libraries and a fine hardcore name to them. The WiiU is not a name, but a shot in the foot as far as that demographic goes.

Funny thing about that, it reminds me of the Miami versus Dallas finals game 5 yesterday. When the crowd tries to distract the free-throw shooter, I love how they just shut completely up when the ball swooshes in. I think Nintendo has to do the same there. They need to launch "Mature" hit after hit, 1st 2nd or 3rd party exclusive, so that the people making noise and calling it kiddi can finally shut the hell up.

thats good in theory, but IMHO 3rd parties are getting away from making exclusive games for a console (which is good i think), unless Ninty wants to start doing what SOny and especially MS does and start moneyhatting or sucking ass, and i dont see them as that type of company, probably wont get exclusives



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me>you on 10 June 2011
LordTheNightKnight said:
"That drawback was more because of stupidity among third parties, and an inability to see making games with less focus on graphics and showing off. Other M (as in allowing it to be made in the first place, and not treating the reaction as a reason to disown it) showed Nintendo is being infected with that as well.


If your console can't use the current game engines (Unreal 3, Frost bite 2.0, Cryengine 2 & 3) used by developers then how can you expect them to develop games for you? Also with such a low attachment rate who would make a Wii game, when they could be selling on PC/360/PS3  at the same time (why would they waste their time when they can make a lot more just ignoring the wii).

It's not that the Wii is a bad console, it just doesn't have very big returns for developers compared to being a cross platform PC/360/PS3 game...

L.A. Noire got 214,579 xbox + 208,503 PS3  = about 550,000 this week if it was a Wii game about it would get 160,000 - 200,000 As you can see being unique and innovative can be a problem.



Xen on 10 June 2011
oniyide said:
Xen said:
oniyide said:
Xen said:
oniyide said:
Xen said:
oniyide said:
Xen said:
So what I get from this is that Iwata & co. caved in to public pressure? Sure looks like they did.
How is it that they miss the fact that the third parties need them more than they need the third parties?

"Evolve", hah. They're just trying to capture both audiences, and as I see it now, this will only end up in alienating them.


no third parties dont need them, you want support for your console, you have to do things to get support for your console. Sony does it, MS does it, what makes Ninty so special that they thought they didnt need to do this. I for one am happy with this direction, they are taking, they are serious about getting 3rd party support

They are heading toward ruin. They are trying to capture a userbase that has no interest whatsoever in their consoles.

because their console didnt have the games that that userbase wanted and if it happen to have it, it was far worse than the competitions. You have the games people will go to you, you dont they wont, that simple

Because multiplats are gonna sell it, oh yeah.


Most gamers arent fanboys that hate on Ninty just to hate them, let that go. AND LOL! Really ?? What you think millions of people bought the PS1 despite Sony being an unknown in gaming, because of their 1st party?? PS2 is the best selling console of all time because of Sony's 1st party??? Ratchet & Clank is not that cool

Third party exclusives. And by then, they will almost "exclusively" be done for. Sony's first party? Never said that. Try Ridge Racer, GTA, Final Fantasy, Tekken, and so on.

And no, most teen-young adult gamers have no affection for Nintendo, and most see it as kiddy thanks to the fine efforts by Sega, Sony, and Microsoft (more Xbox than MS, but Xbox IS MS :P ). That is the demographic they're trying to capture, and that is the demographic that will be well occupied by PS3 and 360 until they are both succeeded. Multiplats aren't gonna win them any new sales, especially by the time it releases against a cheaper PS3 and 360 with far more robust libraries and a fine hardcore name to them. The WiiU is not a name, but a shot in the foot as far as that demographic goes.

i kinda see where you are coming from, all that means is that Ninty has to work hard to get some exclusive 3rd party support. They seem to be doing that with 3DS, somewhat. Lets see how it goes with WiiU and if it is really more "powerful" that some of the rumors suggest, im sure graphic whores will jump ship

The third party on 3DS, I think, came of their own desire to make money without any encouragement... the 3DS is the successor to such a massive handheld that by missing out on it, you're missing out on good money. With the WiiU, however, you are correct. Nintendo will need to SWEAT for it, but only by games can it win. That's how the PS2 won, the Wii won, and so on (unless you mean HD owners shifting to WiiU, I don't expect graphics to come out on top - I expect appeal and word of mouth to). Power-wise, they were lulzy compared to the competition. Don't listen to any console graphic whore, console graphics wars are hilarious next to the stuff the PC puts out. These days, you can have an absolutely awesome gaming rig, based on an i5 2500k, relatively cheaply.

@Ail: I can get that as well. Perhaps this marketing was a key part in the "kiddy" appeal and marketing Nintendo consoles suffer from.



Killiana1a on 10 June 2011
Khuutra said:
Killiana1a said:
OP got this right in the first line "one tablet to rule them all."

All of my attention to the WiiU has been on the controller. The controller has a 6.2 inch screen, speakers, a mic and is intended to be used to play WiiU games if the television is turned off.

I get this and I probe deeper. Nintendo moreso than any other gaming company, of late, has set trends when it comes to innovative controllers. The Wii remote and the way the player played the game with it was a revolutionary concept put into practice.

I think with smart phones, the iPad, and tablet PCs flooding the markets nowadays, the comparison of the WiiU controller to a tablet PC is a captain obvious.

Otherwise why outfit a controller with a mic and speakers?

If Nintendo is going to try and take a stab at the iPad and the entire tablet PC market, then they better get some apps and online connectivity for the WiiU controller.

Otherwise, if it is just a half-assed attempt at trying to replicate the novelty of the Wii Remote, then Nintendo is going to bomb bigger on the WiiU than they are currently doing with the 3DS.

As for the games and hardware of the WiiU console, I see no reason to buy one if one already has a comparable console in the Xbox 360 or PS3.

I believe (not predict) the WiiU console will be a tad more stronger in hardware than the Xbox 360, but not quite as powerful as the PS3.

If this is the new generation console, then I see no reason to buy one considering I already have an HD console and a Wii.


The WiiU controller is not a tablet. As near as can be told it's just a video receiver with a touchscreen. In order to have the functionality you describe, all those programs would have to be run on the WiiU itself.

Though Nintendo showed off video chat as one of the conceptual uses of it, so they may be leaning in that direction.

Also your last line has caused a small part of my brain to begin to boil. It is heating up the rest of my head. I need to lie down.

Yes, I do have a Wii now after being a 360 and PC gamer (before the 360) for so long.  I have to update my profile, but here are the Wii games my family owns thus far:

1. Wii Sports

2. Wii Sports Resort

3. Country Dance (ask her, but her trying this out gave me plenty of laughs)

My little brother who (influenced by me undoubtedly) is strictly a Nintendo gamer. From family visits, I have had the opportunity to play New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Donkey Kong Country Returns. Both are great games, but they do not do it for me like the way the upcoming release of Final Fantasy 7 did the PlayStation for me, the way Grand Theft Auto 3 did the PlayStation 2 for me, and the way Fallout 3 did the Xbox 360 for me.

I am not knocking Nintendo, but with the Wii they lost a whole generation of gamers in hopes of getting that generation's parents back whose last video game may have been DuckHunt or Super Mario Bros 3.

As for the tablet PC comparison, I believe it is apt. Otherwise why put out a controller like that? Even crazier, why make it only a video receiver when with a screen that big they can do something truly revolutionary in making the first video game/console tablet PC device?

It may be as conservative and safe as a"video receiver." If so, then I believe (not predict) Nintendo will not see Wii numbers with the WiiU for reasons stated in my first post here:

1. I don't believe the WiiU will rival the PS3 in terms of graphics output (rather it will rival the Xbox 360).

2. Consumers will be enticed by the WiiU (specifically it's controller) and when they learn it is nothing more than a video receiver then their line of thought will be "what a freaking cocktease!"

3. Nintendo comes with the expectation of being the most "innovative" video game company, which basically means the Wii Remote was years ahead of it's time therefore Nintendo should be annually lauded as the most "innovative" video game company until they disappoint us with their new console.



Khuutra on 10 June 2011
Killiana1a said:
Khuutra said:


The WiiU controller is not a tablet. As near as can be told it's just a video receiver with a touchscreen. In order to have the functionality you describe, all those programs would have to be run on the WiiU itself.

Though Nintendo showed off video chat as one of the conceptual uses of it, so they may be leaning in that direction.

Also your last line has caused a small part of my brain to begin to boil. It is heating up the rest of my head. I need to lie down.

Yes, I do have a Wii now after being a 360 and PC gamer (before the 360) for so long.  I have to update my profile, but here are the Wii games my family owns thus far:

1. Wii Sports

2. Wii Sports Resort

3. Country Dance (ask her, but her trying this out gave me plenty of laughs)

My little brother who (influenced by me undoubtedly) is strictly a Nintendo gamer. From family visits, I have had the opportunity to play New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Donkey Kong Country Returns. Both are great games, but they do not do it for me like the way the upcoming release of Final Fantasy 7 did the PlayStation for me, the way Grand Theft Auto 3 did the PlayStation 2 for me, and the way Fallout 3 did the Xbox 360 for me.

I am not knocking Nintendo, but with the Wii they lost a whole generation of gamers in hopes of getting that generation's parents back whose last video game may have been DuckHunt or Super Mario Bros 3.

As for the tablet PC comparison, I believe it is apt. Otherwise why put out a controller like that? Even crazier, why make it only a video receiver when with a screen that big they can do something truly revolutionary in making the first video game/console tablet PC device?

It may be as conservative and safe as a"video receiver." If so, then I believe (not predict) Nintendo will not see Wii numbers with the WiiU for reasons stated in my first post here:

1. I don't believe the WiiU will rival the PS3 in terms of graphics output (rather it will rival the Xbox 360).

2. Consumers will be enticed by the WiiU (specifically it's controller) and when they learn it is nothing more than a video receiver then their line of thought will be "what a freaking cocktease!"

3. Nintendo comes with the expectation of being the most "innovative" video game company, which basically means the Wii Remote was years ahead of it's time therefore Nintendo should be annually lauded as the most "innovative" video game company until they disappoint us with their new console.


Imagine my face going slowly more and more slack; the facade is sliding away, revealing the face beneath the veneer, and it is essentially stupid. There's hate there, an animal kind of hate that affects the self far more than the people around one. I clicked that blue button; this is my fault, coming back here.

I don't find your reasoning for a tablet comparison compelling or convincing.

The flesh slowly settles back into place. The veneer of intelligence reasserts itself.  Imagine then that I smile.

Nor do I find your beliefs  (not predictions) to be particularly bold - though they're not particularly strongly reasoned, either.



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Killiana1a on 11 June 2011
padib said:
Khuutra said:
Killiana1a said:
Khuutra said:


The WiiU controller is not a tablet. As near as can be told it's just a video receiver with a touchscreen. In order to have the functionality you describe, all those programs would have to be run on the WiiU itself.

As for the tablet PC comparison, I believe it is apt. Otherwise why put out a controller like that? Even crazier, why make it only a video receiver when with a screen that big they can do something truly revolutionary in making the first video game/console tablet PC device?

2. Consumers will be enticed by the WiiU (specifically it's controller) and when they learn it is nothing more than a video receiver then their line of thought will be "what a freaking cocktease!"

Imagine my face going slowly more and more slack; the facade is sliding away, revealing the face beneath the veneer, and it is essentially stupid. There's hate there, an animal kind of hate that affects the self far more than the people around one. I clicked that blue button; this is my fault, coming back here.

Okay, so Kiliana your points are based off a false assumptions.
The WiiU pad is not simply a tablet. It certainly is a tablet, but not simply a tablet. Like a square is a rectangle, but it's also more than a rectangle, it's a square. What makes the WiiU pad different than a regular tablet you'll ask?

First of all, its images are being generated by the WiiU system. Now while that in an of itself doesn't make much of a difference, this point does. What happens with the fact that the WiiU system generates the image is that it becomes a processing hub for all activities in the game. These activites can all happen on the console with no output (boring), be outputted on the TV screen, or be outputted on the handheld. How does that change everything? Well, since the processing hub know of all activities in the games, the outputs it provides can interact. The movements you make on one terminal affect the 3D world you're in.

Listen, it's hard to explain, but just check out the showcase demoes. Someone post the links again please, I'm on my netbook and its too damn slow.

I have seen the games for the WiiU. Not much different than what will be offered on any Sony or Microsoft console with the exception of the Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong line-up.

As for the controller, it is no Wii Remote. My first thoughts when seeing it was "WOW Nintendo is going to give Apple and DROID a run for their money!"

Then, I read the specs, discussed it with friends who went to E3, and then I realized something:

The WiiU controller is equivalent to a 15 year old getting a nose ring, a mohawk, and dying his hair green. It is not "revolutionary" as the Wii Remote was. It is a big cocktease.

If calling it how I see it makes me a Nintendo hater, then I will plead guilty. No need to waste time on jury selection.