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brendude13 on 30 May 2011

I guess that's good news, it just makes me even more excited for E3, screw it, I will go to bed at 3am to watch SONY's conference if I have to!

Does anybody else think Nintendo's conferences are overrated? It revolves around casual games too much and although Zelda and Mario are great games and they never get old, they are still recycled IP's so there are NO surprises. Nintendo have top notch presentation, but they are lacking content, especially the content which I prefer.



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IMU1808 on 30 May 2011
Mr Khan said:
Xen said:
 

They have a hugeass dedicated fanbase that stuck to their consoles mostly thanks to their games (33 million N64's is no joke), a fanbase built since the NES. Aside from this gen, in which they simply carved out a whole market, that's the thing that mostly pulled them through (exception: Mario games). They built themselves on on it and have a far longer 1st party tradition than Sony, that built themselves on 3rd party, and started really investing in 1st party only this gen, really. BTW, what games DO they sell in largely dead or untargeted genres? Nothing comes up. To clarify, I'm not speaking about genres they pretty much created.

But I guess we have different opinions of what IP worth is based on. I couldn't care less about sales.

On the dead or dying thing, no-one else in the industry would have had the balls to sell NSMBWii as a full-price retail game. The closest was LBP, and that was sold on the pretext of UGC.

Dude, that's a very established franchise that sells a load every time it's released (even if the majority of them are on handhelds, the handheld version had what, 14M in sales at the time?) and it breaks of from another very established franchise that's been around for ages (mario). LBP was a brand new no name IP on the last place console.



IMU1808 on 30 May 2011
Roma said:
Xen said:
Onyxmeth said:
Xen said:

No shit. In my eyes, they are leaps and bounds ahead of Nintendo as well.

Just curious but why? Nintendo in my eyes has the IP department on lock. I'd say they have an entire 2-3 tiers of IPs with more selling potential than anything Sony is able to produce. Anything we can really judge IP success by is something Nintendo crushes Sony at overall. 

Sales? It's very likely that they'll outdo Sony indeed (99% chance!). I just don't like the fact that they barely make any worthy new IP's, and the ones that they do have are redone to all hell, time and time again (with nice breathes of air, like Wind Waker, SMG, and DKC Returns, some others). Make something new, guys. The genre diversity is also not as big as Sony's.

You do know that most Sony games are bought up together with the company that makes them right? I hardy call that “making” new IPs :P

What games are you talking about?



Mr Khan on 30 May 2011
IMU1808 said:
Mr Khan said:

On the dead or dying thing, no-one else in the industry would have had the balls to sell NSMBWii as a full-price retail game. The closest was LBP, and that was sold on the pretext of UGC.

Dude, that's a very established franchise that sells a load every time it's released (even if the majority of them are on handhelds, the handheld version had what, 14M in sales at the time?) and it breaks of from another very established franchise that's been around for ages (mario). LBP was a brand new no name IP on the last place console.

I'm not sure i see your point. My point was that nobody else would try to sell a 2D Platformer as its own thing on a console at full price as a retail title, even if it was Mario, who else bothers with retail 2D games, aside from LittleBigPlanet? Even if it is Mario, it's still a decision no-one else would have made



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Roma on 30 May 2011
IMU1808 said:
Roma said:
Xen said:
Onyxmeth said:
Xen said:

No shit. In my eyes, they are leaps and bounds ahead of Nintendo as well.

Just curious but why? Nintendo in my eyes has the IP department on lock. I'd say they have an entire 2-3 tiers of IPs with more selling potential than anything Sony is able to produce. Anything we can really judge IP success by is something Nintendo crushes Sony at overall. 

Sales? It's very likely that they'll outdo Sony indeed (99% chance!). I just don't like the fact that they barely make any worthy new IP's, and the ones that they do have are redone to all hell, time and time again (with nice breathes of air, like Wind Waker, SMG, and DKC Returns, some others). Make something new, guys. The genre diversity is also not as big as Sony's.

You do know that most Sony games are bought up together with the company that makes them right? I hardy call that “making” new IPs :P

What games are you talking about?

Guerilla Games: creators of Killzone was bought by Sony in end of 2005

Naughty dogs: creators of Uncharted was bought in 2001

Media Molecule: creators of little big planet was bought in 2010

Insomniac might not have been bought by Sony but they do make exclusive games and a lot of people might think oh it is a new Sony IP

Factor Five has the White night IP and some think it is a Sony game but it is not :P

Just because it is an exclusive does not mean it is created by Sony.

Now what games are new that were made by Sony and not just bought up :P

as i do not play that many PS games i might have missed a few

 



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

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Ail on 30 May 2011
Roma said:
IMU1808 said:
Roma said:
Xen said:
Onyxmeth said:
Xen said:

No shit. In my eyes, they are leaps and bounds ahead of Nintendo as well.

Just curious but why? Nintendo in my eyes has the IP department on lock. I'd say they have an entire 2-3 tiers of IPs with more selling potential than anything Sony is able to produce. Anything we can really judge IP success by is something Nintendo crushes Sony at overall. 

Sales? It's very likely that they'll outdo Sony indeed (99% chance!). I just don't like the fact that they barely make any worthy new IP's, and the ones that they do have are redone to all hell, time and time again (with nice breathes of air, like Wind Waker, SMG, and DKC Returns, some others). Make something new, guys. The genre diversity is also not as big as Sony's.

You do know that most Sony games are bought up together with the company that makes them right? I hardy call that “making” new IPs :P

What games are you talking about?

Guerilla Games: creators of Killzone was bought by Sony in end of 2005

Naughty dogs: creators of Uncharted was bought in 2001

Media Molecule: creators of little big planet was bought in 2010

Insomniac might not have been bought by Sony but they do make exclusive games and a lot of people might think oh it is a new Sony IP

Factor Five has the White night IP and some think it is a Sony game but it is not :P

Just because it is an exclusive does not mean it is created by Sony.

Now what games are new that were made by Sony and not just bought up :P

as i do not play that many PS games i might have missed a few

 


Bad bad Sony, they actually spend money to try to provide exclusive new IPs to their customers...

You probably mean Level 5, not Factor 5, in any case you are wrong, the IP is property of Sony.( WKC is a trademark of Sony, Developed by lvl 5, this is what the back of game box says...)



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PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Roma on 30 May 2011
Ail said:
Roma said:
IMU1808 said:
Roma said:
Xen said:
Onyxmeth said:
Xen said:

No shit. In my eyes, they are leaps and bounds ahead of Nintendo as well.

Just curious but why? Nintendo in my eyes has the IP department on lock. I'd say they have an entire 2-3 tiers of IPs with more selling potential than anything Sony is able to produce. Anything we can really judge IP success by is something Nintendo crushes Sony at overall. 

Sales? It's very likely that they'll outdo Sony indeed (99% chance!). I just don't like the fact that they barely make any worthy new IP's, and the ones that they do have are redone to all hell, time and time again (with nice breathes of air, like Wind Waker, SMG, and DKC Returns, some others). Make something new, guys. The genre diversity is also not as big as Sony's.

You do know that most Sony games are bought up together with the company that makes them right? I hardy call that “making” new IPs :P

What games are you talking about?

Guerilla Games: creators of Killzone was bought by Sony in end of 2005

Naughty dogs: creators of Uncharted was bought in 2001

Media Molecule: creators of little big planet was bought in 2010

Insomniac might not have been bought by Sony but they do make exclusive games and a lot of people might think oh it is a new Sony IP

Factor Five has the White night IP and some think it is a Sony game but it is not :P

Just because it is an exclusive does not mean it is created by Sony.

Now what games are new that were made by Sony and not just bought up :P

as i do not play that many PS games i might have missed a few

 


Bad bad Sony, they actually spend money to try to provide exclusive new IPs to their customers...

You probably mean Level 5, not Factor 5, in any case you are wrong, the IP is property of Sony.( WKC is a trademark of Sony, Developed by lvl 5, this is what the back of game box says...)

Yes I meant level 5

Well looking up Little big planet it also says that Sony is the developer :P

Well if you pay for exclusives your not creating them which was my point in my first post. Of course they own the IPs but they still bought them and they were not originally created by Sony

Now I am not saying Nintendo creates every exclusive IP that comes to their consoles but they sure have more in house developed games than what Sony has



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

IMU1808 on 30 May 2011
Mr Khan said:
IMU1808 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

On the dead or dying thing, no-one else in the industry would have had the balls to sell NSMBWii as a full-price retail game. The closest was LBP, and that was sold on the pretext of UGC.

Dude, that's a very established franchise that sells a load every time it's released (even if the majority of them are on handhelds, the handheld version had what, 14M in sales at the time?) and it breaks of from another very established franchise that's been around for ages (mario). LBP was a brand new no name IP on the last place console.

I'm not sure i see your point. My point was that nobody else would try to sell a 2D Platformer as its own thing on a console at full price as a retail title, even if it was Mario, who else bothers with retail 2D games, aside from LittleBigPlanet? Even if it is Mario, it's still a decision no-one else would have made

My point is that it's not nearly as risky for Nintendo as it is for everyone else.



Mr Khan on 30 May 2011
IMU1808 said:
Mr Khan said:

I'm not sure i see your point. My point was that nobody else would try to sell a 2D Platformer as its own thing on a console at full price as a retail title, even if it was Mario, who else bothers with retail 2D games, aside from LittleBigPlanet? Even if it is Mario, it's still a decision no-one else would have made

My point is that it's not nearly as risky for Nintendo as it is for everyone else.

There i suppose you're right, though brand recognition hasn't helped Nintendo do things the market dislikes



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IMU1808 on 30 May 2011
Roma said:
IMU1808 said:
Roma said:
Xen said:
Onyxmeth said:
Xen said:

No shit. In my eyes, they are leaps and bounds ahead of Nintendo as well.

Just curious but why? Nintendo in my eyes has the IP department on lock. I'd say they have an entire 2-3 tiers of IPs with more selling potential than anything Sony is able to produce. Anything we can really judge IP success by is something Nintendo crushes Sony at overall. 

Sales? It's very likely that they'll outdo Sony indeed (99% chance!). I just don't like the fact that they barely make any worthy new IP's, and the ones that they do have are redone to all hell, time and time again (with nice breathes of air, like Wind Waker, SMG, and DKC Returns, some others). Make something new, guys. The genre diversity is also not as big as Sony's.

You do know that most Sony games are bought up together with the company that makes them right? I hardy call that “making” new IPs :P

What games are you talking about?

Guerilla Games: creators of Killzone was bought by Sony in end of 2005

Naughty dogs: creators of Uncharted was bought in 2001

Media Molecule: creators of little big planet was bought in 2010

Insomniac might not have been bought by Sony but they do make exclusive games and a lot of people might think oh it is a new Sony IP

Factor Five has the White night IP and some think it is a Sony game but it is not :P

Just because it is an exclusive does not mean it is created by Sony.

Now what games are new that were made by Sony and not just bought up :P

as i do not play that many PS games i might have missed a few

 


GG was bought AFTER the first Killzone. Which was already a SONY IP. 

When SONY bought Naughty Dog they got them onto a completely new IP (Jak and Daxtar). Before they were bought, they only made the crash games which SONY didn't own and neither did Naughty Dog. 

Media Molecule again worked on a SONY IP already before they were bought. LBP was going to be something completely different before SONY came along.

I don't get what's your point with Insomniac. Everything they made was a SONY IP after the Spyro games. Not an IP of their own.

Factor5 made LAIR. Which is a SONY IP.

If you mean Level 5; White Knight, Rogue Galaxy and Dark Cloud are all copyright and owned by SONY. 

As for your last question, some other games that are OWNED by SONY and new this gen:

inFamous
Uncharted
Demon's Souls
Eyepet
Heavenly Sword
MAG
Modnation Racers
Motorstorm
Resistance

Off the top of my head. These and the ones mentioned above show one thing for certain that SONY has over Nintendo: They don't rely nearly as much going into a new gen on older IPs like Nintendo does. You pretty muched guaranteed to see a bunch of new ones that SONY puts at the forefront with all of their other big hitters from the previous gen. They did the same last gen with games like Socom, God of War, Jak N Daxter, Sly, Ratchet, The Mark of Kri, etc. giving them just as much if not more attention than PS1 franchises like Syphon Filter, Ape Escape, Warhawk, Twisted Metal, Wild Arms, Omega Boost, etc.