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Well, after SMB3, there was a lot that started to go wrong in gaming. Although a lot that also started to go WAY better. I think RPGs vastly improved in  the 16-bit genre, and hit their peak from the late 16-bit era until the late 32-bit era. The RPGs I enjoyed the most in the last 5 years were remakes of 16-bit era RPGs. 

 

Anyway, Zelda; I think one of the major problems with the later games were the additions; the sailboat, the wolf, the fetch quests, large focus on the horse, etc.... These are a bit of a deviation from the formula which really nailed it. Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask had many different options, but none of them really took over the game like the sailboat/wolf/horse in Twilight Princess. Ocarina of Time's formula really nailed it, and there just isn't anyone yet who has done it better. While the later games are still good (I loved getting lost on the Sailboat, in a storm, for example) they are still less than what Ocarina did, and are therefore disappointing. While there were many parts of the Post-Majora's mask games that were fun, there were also long areas and sewquences that weren't very fun.

 

Luckily, the one dark spot of Ocarina of Time, The Water Temple, has been fixed. Not that the Water Temple was bad, but most people seemed to get very lost in it - which created a problem.



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liquidninja said:

Man, Nintendo fans (who stuck around after N64) are crazy. Just once I'd like to see one of the admit that Mario Sunshine or Wind Waker sucked.


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I'll never understand people who treat their opinions as facts.

You might not have liked them but there are others who did.



Since when was Zelda an RPG, anyway?



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theRepublic said:
loves2splooge said:

Sean Malstrom may be public enemy #1 in the Nintendo subforum but it's worth noting that gaming wouldn't have expanded so much this gen if it wasn't for Nintendo deliberately targeting the "lapsed gamer" (which is basically his schtick. He thinks Nintendo should cater to this demographic). Adults who grew up with the Arcades, Atari, 8-bit and 16-bit Nintendo and Sega, etc. but then lost interest in gaming once it started shifting towards 3D, becoming more complex and adding more buttons and sticks to the gamepads. Recently when chilling with my ex-girlfriend she told me that she hates videogames because she sucks at them. I bet if I brought my Wii or DS Lite to her place and set it up with some pick up and play games, she'd change her mind. After all, she is a fan of boardgames (like many women). I see no reason why she couldn't be converted into liking videogames.

Malstrom may have only a little Wordpress and forum corner. But there are tens of millions of people who can sort of relate to the basics of Malstrom's old-school philosophies. The Wii and DS brought back a lot of adults to gaming and also brought in new adults. These games focused on a "back to the basics" type of experience for gaming with a more simplified control scheme than the dual-analog modern gamepad.

I really think that Nintendo should create a 2D New Legend of Zelda to compliment the 3D Zelda line. There would be a strong market for it. Old-school Zelda would appeal more to fans who want Zelda with more action and non-linearity in their exploration.

"He thinks Nintendo should cater to this demographic"

Close but not quite.  Malstrom thinks Nintendo should cater exculsively to this demographic.  That's the reason he gets so much hate from the enthusiast gamer crowd.

Malstrom may be disliked in the Nintendo forum, but it is nothing compared to what he gets in the general gaming forum.  He at least has some supporters in the Nintendo forum.  I actually liked him when he stuck more to the business side of things.  It came at the right time too.  He was predicting success and then explaining it when everyone else was predicting doom.

What did it for me and a lot of others is when he started trying to critic individual games.  Everyone has their biases, but he takes his to the extreme.  He hates on pretty much everything after SMB3 for destroying gaming, and ignores any evidence that contradict his theories.  He just can't see past his own nostalgia when it comes to games.

Right. It's the whole "if it's not a console-seller, it's a waste of resources!" schtick that is very annoying. Only a select few titles can be standalone console sellers, and even with their focus on "wasteful" games Nintendo still has more standalone console sellers than any other publisher out there, including Sony and Microsoft



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theRepublic said:

What did it for me and a lot of others is when he started trying to critic individual games.  Everyone has their biases, but he takes his to the extreme.  He hates on pretty much everything after SMB3 for destroying gaming, and ignores any evidence that contradict his theories.  He just can't see past his own nostalgia when it comes to games.

Yeah, even though I consider myself to be a so-called "Malstrom gamer" at heart, I do agree that he's a bit of an... Extremist.

Though I imagine that if I were in his position, I'd be pretty bitter and unreasonable as well.



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I don't think Zelda games are bad but I do think they could use a better story and dialogue.



wth i am reading? only RPG zelda is Link's adventure, are you a troll mister? i think so



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Is Ocarina of Time still considered the best Zelda game by many Zelda fans? Maybe they should try making a Zelda RPG just to see what it'd be like... Or rather, maybe not.