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"Eventually us humans are going to devolve into complete idiots one day with no real instincts. lol."

that's the only sentence i would agree. But i think the "us" is the user you described. no offense. it's your own logical conclusion. 3 years contract, well... good luck



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I don't understand this irrational fear of cell phone contracts. Maybe things work differently over there in the UK. The cancellation fees for cellphone contracts are much more reasonable than they used to be. I bought my phone outright because I wanted greater flexibility. But if you use a lot of voice airtime or lots of mobile data, you're better off getting a phone for like $0 and signing the 3 year contract because the carriers will offer you plans with a better deal (ie. free evenings and weekends) if you commit to 3 years.

Btw they also have entry-level Android smartphones on the market for cheap anyway if you don't want to put down $500 plus on a phone upfront or sign a 2 to 3 year contract. And they can be bought for significantly cheaper than a 3DS, which is just a dedicated gaming handheld that doesn't really do anything decently other than play games.

I think dedicated gaming handhelds still have a place in gaming. But the 3D direction of the system is going to unnecessarily alienate a lot of people (whether it be people who can't see 3D properly, people who get eyestrain/headaches/sick from it, the mass market gamer that wants pick up and play and not home console experiences on the go, jacking up the price of games to $40, parents who are going to get scared about the system will fuck up their kids' eyes because of the warning labels, people who are pissed off about the battery life, people who are pissed off that the D-Pad is on the bottom, people who think $250 is too much for a dedicated gaming handheld, etc.) And the fact that it's called a 3DS is going to make people think that it's just a new DS redesign like the DS Lite and DSi was but with teh 3D.  And I really don't see game developers focusing on making 2D-only experiences for the 3DS when the whole point of the 3DS is the 3D. As a result, 3D is going to be tacked on needlessly worse than Motion Controls were tacked on with Wii games. Just like how Hollywood is in shambles because they tack on 3D to shit and try to sell it off as great.



Soleron said:
o_O.Q said:
Soleron said:

NGP won't be cheaper than 3DS. Sony's strength is their performance, so it will have to be much faster than the PSP and that means having better tech than the 3DS. This will be expensive and also lead to lower battery life than the 3DS, maybe similar to the original PSP.

Sony will be relying on PS3 ports and spinoffs, like the PSP did with the PS2, as I see no change in strategy from the executives' words. So unless you really like the PS3-exclusive lineup at the moment, it probably won't appeal.

The best thing for you would be to wait 2-3 years before buying either.


you can't be sure on that... they already said that they are on track to having a similar battery life to the psp which has a better battery life than the 3ds

They are not magically better system integrators than Nintendo. All of the following can't be true at once:

- Same screen brightness in 2D mode
- Better hardware performance than the 3DS
- Better battery life than the 3DS

Obviously the ngp will require more power but they may be able to implement a better a better or more efficient power system than nintendo... btw "They are not magically better system integrators than Nintendo" no not through magic, of course since sony is an electronics giant i would expect them to have more applitude in electronics than nintendo



@loves2splooge you went on a bit of a tirade, but i agree with what most everything you have said. Especially the Brain Age part. Most people in their right mind are not going to want to plunk down 40 bucks versus the 5-10 they can pay on the smart phones they have or will get. However i think Ninty and even Sony knows this and they will just have those games on their DL stores. Sony has been doing it a lot with their PSN minis and Ninty with their DSi stores, all they need is to have better games and more attention drawn to it. It MIGHT slow down the mobile games



Grandia said:

You expect seriously a lower price for the NGP than what the 3DS has now? In which world do you life? The NGP is going to be a real powerfull System and will  easily outperform the 3DS performance. You may expect at least 300$ rather 350$ at the Releas. The 3DS really has a moderate price point in my opinion, 250$ is not that much. I got mine at 230$ that i a good price, the original Nintendo DS also cost 200$ at its Releas. There are only 30$ difference and the 3DS will soon get all the awesome Games.

 

But if you think the  NGP will offera better package for you than spar your money and wait for the NGP.


The NGP price definly wont be lower then the 3DS but i dont think itll be higher then 300$ (Well the 3G version probly will) The 3DS cost Nintendo 101-103$ to make right? Sony have said that they will be selling the NGP at a loss...This is why i find it hard to beleve the NGP will cost x3 more then the 3DS manufactoring costs if they plan to sell the NGP at a loss

i think ittl cost 249$ or 299$ for the WIFI version

But nintendo will probably price cut the 3DS before the NGP comes out anyway

I also think the bettery life should be pretty decent because of the OLED screen. Most screens on handheld devices are LCD screens with backlight behind it. But the OLED is plastic and does not need a backlight thus = it basicly uses no power at all, and we all know what consumes most of the power in handheld devices...the LCD screen and its backlight. (OLEDs are also pretty cheap to make)



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Buy whatever the hell you want. Me personally? Im buying the 3DS cause im dam sure Nintendo will have better 3rd party support and original games for it. Im not buying one now cause it has no games that interest me at the moment but im confident after E3 they will have interesting stuff thats going to push sales.



Chevinator123 said:
Grandia said:

You expect seriously a lower price for the NGP than what the 3DS has now? In which world do you life? The NGP is going to be a real powerfull System and will  easily outperform the 3DS performance. You may expect at least 300$ rather 350$ at the Releas. The 3DS really has a moderate price point in my opinion, 250$ is not that much. I got mine at 230$ that i a good price, the original Nintendo DS also cost 200$ at its Releas. There are only 30$ difference and the 3DS will soon get all the awesome Games.

 

But if you think the  NGP will offera better package for you than spar your money and wait for the NGP.


The NGP price definly wont be lower then the 3DS but i dont think itll be higher then 300$ (Well the 3G version probly will) The 3DS cost Nintendo 101-103$ to make right? Sony have said that they will be selling the NGP at a loss...This is why i find it hard to beleve the NGP will cost x3 more then the 3DS manufactoring costs if they plan to sell the NGP at a loss

i think ittl cost 249$ or 299$ for the WIFI version

But nintendo will probably price cut the 3DS before the NGP comes out anyway

I also think the bettery life should be pretty decent because of the OLED screen. Most screens on handheld devices are LCD screens with backlight behind it. But the OLED is plastic and does not need a backlight thus = it basicly uses no power at all, and we all know what consumes most of the power in handheld devices...the LCD screen and its backlight. (OLEDs are also pretty cheap to make

So what if a 3DS cost 100 dollars to make. They have to make back money that they spent in research and development, shipments and paying their employees/ rent for the company building etc. Its basic business knowledge. An Iphone 4 cost a lot less to make but is a hell of a lot more expensive than a 3DS and no one complains about that. If Nintendo is making a profit im sure its not even that much and when they make back the money for R&D thats when you will see price drops.



kcoward said:
Chevinator123 said:
Grandia said:

You expect seriously a lower price for the NGP than what the 3DS has now? In which world do you life? The NGP is going to be a real powerfull System and will  easily outperform the 3DS performance. You may expect at least 300$ rather 350$ at the Releas. The 3DS really has a moderate price point in my opinion, 250$ is not that much. I got mine at 230$ that i a good price, the original Nintendo DS also cost 200$ at its Releas. There are only 30$ difference and the 3DS will soon get all the awesome Games.

 

But if you think the  NGP will offera better package for you than spar your money and wait for the NGP.


The NGP price definly wont be lower then the 3DS but i dont think itll be higher then 300$ (Well the 3G version probly will) The 3DS cost Nintendo 101-103$ to make right? Sony have said that they will be selling the NGP at a loss...This is why i find it hard to beleve the NGP will cost x3 more then the 3DS manufactoring costs if they plan to sell the NGP at a loss

i think ittl cost 249$ or 299$ for the WIFI version

But nintendo will probably price cut the 3DS before the NGP comes out anyway

I also think the bettery life should be pretty decent because of the OLED screen. Most screens on handheld devices are LCD screens with backlight behind it. But the OLED is plastic and does not need a backlight thus = it basicly uses no power at all, and we all know what consumes most of the power in handheld devices...the LCD screen and its backlight. (OLEDs are also pretty cheap to make

So what if a 3DS cost 100 dollars to make. They have to make back money that they spent in research and development, shipments and paying their employees/ rent for the company building etc. Its basic business knowledge. An Iphone 4 cost a lot less to make but is a hell of a lot more expensive than a 3DS and no one complains about that. If Nintendo is making a profit im sure its not even that much and when they make back the money for R&D thats when you will see price drops.

That wasnt what i was trying to point out



kitler53 said:
ninty_shareholder64 said:
loves2splooge said:

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Yeah sadly the NGP ... I played on the PC. 

sorry, but this long comment is full of strange numbers: "12% of people in the UK can't see in stereoscopic 3D very well"; really? what's the definition of not very well? i can't believe this. link? and then argumenting with gimmick, but everybody will copy? costs of glassless 3DTVs? i'm not getting this, sorry.

and the swift of people from handheld to mobile phone games is the wrong interpretation of the source.

They stated that the market share of handhelds declined compared to mobile games. But without decreasing absolute sales of hanheld games, it could very well be due to new gamers on mobiles, not switchers.

And these games on mobiles are so f***** cheap because most of the "true games" are ports of DS, PSP, so without handhelds no cheap ports, imo.

"I'd look like a dork being an adult male playing a DS"....

well, perhaps you not only look like a dork playing your 600$ phone but you are one, if you would pay the money for the newest phone just for playing cheap ports; looking like a business man with you phone, or what... gamer is gamer and you should be proud being a gamer, not hidden behind a phone acting like a complete schizophrenic.

imo


12% of brits can't see 3D

 

edit: i just wanted to give you the link but now i kinda want to comment as well.  quite a few people (including many of the usual nintendo fans on this site) posted prior to the 3DS's launch about how the 3DSs reliance on consumer interest in 3D was probably a bad idea.  people not being able to view 3D isn't a 3DS thing, we already knew that fact before the 3DS released.  we also know that the 3D box office is already in decline.

it will be interesting to see what happens when some of the better games come out.  however, i personally think it has more to do with consumers rejecting 3D than anything else.  nintendo bet the farm on the wrong thing this time (or so it is starting to look like).

i'm not so sure the NGP will do great either.  i'm more interested in it then the 3DS but i have a feeling it won't be making much of a splash either.  call me crazy all you want but i think IOs/Android are going to win the mobile gaming market over the next couple of years.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/entertainment/2011-02/24/content_12070571.htm 

Your link conflicts with other results. 3D TV sales also increased 90% YOY 2009-2010, and are expected to increase more than 100% 2011 - 2010, with more than 15 million 3D sets sold in the US alone this year. It's hardly a "bursting bubble" like many, yourself included, seem to hope it will be. Of course, this is good news for Sony as well, as 3D permeates the home they are one of the few people offering 3D home content. 

As for your prediction about the mobile market, it's sort of true, sort of not. They certainly took a bite out of it, and I expect NGP and 3DS to decrease in sales significantly from their predecessors. I predict 40-50 million lifetime for NGP and 80-100 million lifetime for 3DS. Big declines from the PSP and DS, but still enough to be incredibly successful systems.



Chevinator123 said:
kcoward said:
Chevinator123 said:
Grandia said:

You expect seriously a lower price for the NGP than what the 3DS has now? In which world do you life? The NGP is going to be a real powerfull System and will  easily outperform the 3DS performance. You may expect at least 300$ rather 350$ at the Releas. The 3DS really has a moderate price point in my opinion, 250$ is not that much. I got mine at 230$ that i a good price, the original Nintendo DS also cost 200$ at its Releas. There are only 30$ difference and the 3DS will soon get all the awesome Games.

 

But if you think the  NGP will offera better package for you than spar your money and wait for the NGP.


The NGP price definly wont be lower then the 3DS but i dont think itll be higher then 300$ (Well the 3G version probly will) The 3DS cost Nintendo 101-103$ to make right? Sony have said that they will be selling the NGP at a loss...This is why i find it hard to beleve the NGP will cost x3 more then the 3DS manufactoring costs if they plan to sell the NGP at a loss

i think ittl cost 249$ or 299$ for the WIFI version

But nintendo will probably price cut the 3DS before the NGP comes out anyway

I also think the bettery life should be pretty decent because of the OLED screen. Most screens on handheld devices are LCD screens with backlight behind it. But the OLED is plastic and does not need a backlight thus = it basicly uses no power at all, and we all know what consumes most of the power in handheld devices...the LCD screen and its backlight. (OLEDs are also pretty cheap to make

So what if a 3DS cost 100 dollars to make. They have to make back money that they spent in research and development, shipments and paying their employees/ rent for the company building etc. Its basic business knowledge. An Iphone 4 cost a lot less to make but is a hell of a lot more expensive than a 3DS and no one complains about that. If Nintendo is making a profit im sure its not even that much and when they make back the money for R&D thats when you will see price drops.

That wasnt what i was trying to point out

ok then sorry.....im used to people arguing  the 3DS cost $100 thats its not worth the price. guess i jumped to conclusions to quick.