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Dodece said:

All the criticisizing of Molyneux asside. I must say this Miyamoto probably doesn't deserve his position either. Let us be honest with ourselves the man has been dialing it in for awhile. Bringing to market new installments of franchises he has churned out for decades. That isn't to say they aren't good games, but they are hardly revolutionary. The man is far too incremental in his calculations. Honestly he doesn't seem very heroic at this point. He is getting in the list by body of work, and his obvious tenure. Rather then with couragous choices, risky moves, or bold stances.

Frankly gaming needs more of that, and less of churning out franchises with minor improvements and gimmics. Whether you like it or not Molyneux is far more heroic then Miyamoto. Sure the man is flawed, but great heros are flawed. A hero isn't supposed to be perfect. Give me a guy who tries, and fails over the guy who just plays it safe.

I am not saying this as a slam on Miyamoto. I have enjoyed a lot of his games, and his ideas have really shaped gaming. He just isn't trying anymore. Which is really a shame, because I think he could still show developers a new trick or two before he retires. He should go out with a bang not with a whimper.

Are you serious?  Aside from all the incredible creations from the NES and SNES days, the man created THE standard when it came to 3D in SM64.  He created THE standard when it came to adventure games in OoT.  During the Gamecube era he created Pikmin, experimented with cell-shading in TWW, was responsible for Metroid Prime, etc.  To think that converting these series from 2D to 3D wasn't a risk and largely derivative ignore some of the big differences the difference in presentation created (i.e. Metroid Prime vs. Metroid).

And to say that he hasn't taken chances is ridiculous.  He's responsible for the console that was codenamed the Revolution.  He took a massive risk on motion controls (and Wii Sports) and it paid off big.  Nintendogs was also a pretty big risk that, in many respects, redefined the "casual" market.  At the same time he's released hit after hit when it came to the traditional Nintendo franchises.  SMG was the biggest thing to happen to platforming since SM64.  Twilight Princess was a solid Zelda experience (as were PH and ST). 



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I can believe he is considered a hero just because of fable. Lets be honest here, Fable is not even that huge or great compared to the other canidates of becoming  the indstry "hero"



I would have to say that both Molyneux and Miyamoto are accorded positions far above where they belong on that list. I however will say that Molyneux is still above Miyamoto. Want a simple explanation the man tries harder. He has what the other lacks which is real drive to shape the industry. Like Fable of hate Fable, but it is fairly different, and it is actually a work in progress. Whereas Miyamoto is just tweaking old franchises. Sorry I refuse to give out cookies for a guy that is just waiting out the clock.

Speaking as to who I think belongs on top of the list I would have to say Dave Jones. This generation Crackdown was a big milestone in open world development. Perhaps qualifying as a unique new genre, or at least a well defined sub genre. The only real question being which genre would qualify. Regardless it has inspired a host of imitators, and has inspired a whole lot of creative design choices. Beyond that and frankly that should be enough.

He then went on to All Points Bulletin. Talk about taking a huge gamble. The space mangles games, and destroys game developers like no other. Then to do that while actually bringing something decidedly different. Holy shit it might seem to be stupid in hindsight, but had the game pulled it off. We would be talking about a double up in the coarse of a generation. Which is basically unheard of now.

So equal parts great success, and brazeness. Crackdown was audacious, and APB was even more audacious. Talk about pushing the envelope. I don't care that he failed on his second go. He actually dared to go, and he flew too high and got burned. Miyamoto would have never gone that far out of his comfort zone, and Molyneux would have just boasted he was going, and come back later saying he had to settle on Venus. Yeah I place a lot of value on having the stones for the simple reason that nobody has stones anymore. That is why we are waiting for new installments in franchises. When we should be looking for the next great new thing.



The amount of bashing in this thread is borderline hilarious, none of you make games. Stop complaining with the choices the DEVELOPERS themselves have made.

But oh wait I forgot teh internetz people know better than anyone else....



glad to see so many people appreciate a creative risk taker, even if they come up short on occasion.

In that respect I have to nominate Yoshio Sakamoto as a truly heroic developer. The man is responsible for the Metroid concept and many of the games in the series since the early days. He also worked on many of Nintendo's more outlandish series such as Kid Icarus and Wario World/Wario Land. In recent years he is responsible for the mega-hit (Japan only) Tomodachi Collection, not to mention he is the inventor of the WarioWare series of games. A series which even Miyamoto was quoted last gen as saying he "wishes he had invented"... His most recent game "Metroid: Other M" is one of the most ballzy endeavors Nintendo have taken upon themselves this generation, and considering we're talking about the same generation that brought us motion-controls, Wii-Fit and Wii Music, that's saying a lot!

If all that isn't enough then I have saved the most important reason for last: the man toils away for decades at Nintendo, producing awesome games, all the time knowing full well he will be obscured by the shadow of Miyamoto. His self stated mission at the company is to "always come up with something very different from what Mr. Miyamoto is likely to do". Considering most of Miyamoto's work gains almost instant universal praise, taking on such a role would be considered suicide by many a developer. Yet the man still toils away in his (up till relatively recent) obscurity. Definitely a hero in my book.



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Dodece said:

All the criticisizing of Molyneux asside. I must say this Miyamoto probably doesn't deserve his position either. Let us be honest with ourselves the man has been dialing it in for awhile. Bringing to market new installments of franchises he has churned out for decades. That isn't to say they aren't good games, but they are hardly revolutionary. The man is far too incremental in his calculations. Honestly he doesn't seem very heroic at this point. He is getting in the list by body of work, and his obvious tenure. Rather then with couragous choices, risky moves, or bold stances.

Frankly gaming needs more of that, and less of churning out franchises with minor improvements and gimmics. Whether you like it or not Molyneux is far more heroic then Miyamoto. Sure the man is flawed, but great heros are flawed. A hero isn't supposed to be perfect. Give me a guy who tries, and fails over the guy who just plays it safe.

I am not saying this as a slam on Miyamoto. I have enjoyed a lot of his games, and his ideas have really shaped gaming. He just isn't trying anymore. Which is really a shame, because I think he could still show developers a new trick or two before he retires. He should go out with a bang not with a whimper.

Nintendogs, Wii Sports, Wii Fit. Game-changing, actual console-selling stuff here. I'll grant the last of those launched in 2008 (2009 if we look at Sports Resort as something different)



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Dodece said:

I would have to say that both Molyneux and Miyamoto are accorded positions far above where they belong on that list. I however will say that Molyneux is still above Miyamoto. Want a simple explanation the man tries harder. He has what the other lacks which is real drive to shape the industry. Like Fable of hate Fable, but it is fairly different, and it is actually a work in progress. Whereas Miyamoto is just tweaking old franchises. Sorry I refuse to give out cookies for a guy that is just waiting out the clock.

Do you live in an alternate universe where Wii Sports and Wii Fit don't exist?



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Mr 'make an engine, then try to squeeze a game out of it' Molyneux at No 1?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s9f5hiMgpQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=146s

Braid at 3? Well, at least it wasn't Limbo.



Dodece said:

I would have to say that both Molyneux and Miyamoto are accorded positions far above where they belong on that list. I however will say that Molyneux is still above Miyamoto. Want a simple explanation the man tries harder. He has what the other lacks which is real drive to shape the industry. Like Fable of hate Fable, but it is fairly different, and it is actually a work in progress. Whereas Miyamoto is just tweaking old franchises. Sorry I refuse to give out cookies for a guy that is just waiting out the clock.

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