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being gay a choice vs born that way.

It's a lifestyle choice 120 25.53%
 
Your born that way 250 53.19%
 
no opinion 36 7.66%
 
other---for anything I missed 62 13.19%
 
Total:468

gay is a natural part of humanity.
Humans are designed to be capable of anything and everything because it is our overlapping differences that enables us to achieve what we have.
For instance, a serial killer has the same drive as a rocket scientist. Yes, the serial killer is what society would call defective, but it is important to recognize that the rocket scientist has brain imbalances as well, it's just that since they are productive for society, we call them "gifts"
I read recently that one out of every hundred people are psychopaths, but nearly 20% of those psychopaths are CEOs. That's because certain aspects of psychosis are considered mainstream and desirable traits.
As an example, consider "workaholics". Workaholics, by the same merit we treat psychos and gays, should be alienated. They have an imbalance. However, because their imbalance is productive (according to society), then workaholics get ahead and are praised for their "ambition" and "dedication"

These words that I'm using, like imbalance, defect, gift, productive. These are all societal constructs. There really is no such thing as imbalance or defect. Humans are predisposed to being different from each other is such vastly different ways because it opens up opportunity. Without a defect of "normal thought" artists couldn't interpret the world around them in different ways.



When we look at this, shouldn't we hold it to the same standards that we hold everyone else? This artist is "different" from the norm. He is "pollution" to the "right" way to see things. That picture is NOT what a town looks like.

I'm sure you understand my point by now, but now, for something a bit more controversial.
Biblical regulation of what is right and wrong is a false metric. The bible was written for its time period, its laws meant to protect its citizens. Religion = government. Religion = social conditioning.
Religion arose for a great many thing, some of those reasons being natural curiosity at the higher power, answers to how the world works, and as crime control, as well as good tips as to how to be successful. Yes, the bible is in many ways, a self-help book.
The problem that modern Christians and other religious fanatics have, is a too literal, and cherry picked set of beliefs. The bible says that homosexuality is wrong. This leads to the culture in which we "allow" for "productive psychotics", and eradicate the negative ones in some bizarre Darwinian nightmare. Yet, just look at all those times when people were killed in God's name, or murdered for eccentricity, or for simply being different. Compare the rate of human achievement from those periods to modern ages.

The Bible says what it does about gays because at the time that it was written, it was imperative that people have children, for prosperity as well as family unity. However, it specifically says in the Bible that people are not allowed to judge one another. Modern religious fanatics like to know the first part, but not the latter. "Homosexuality is wrong, and I have a right to call it that".
This is the true inherent problem with religion; It can be argued for eternity, and never proven, because it is open to interpretation. Fanatics "interpret" the Bible how they imagine it is supposed to read.


Interpretation. This is the failure in the whole argument over whether gays are "bad" or not. It is only because we have "interpreted" them to be so. The truth. The SCIENCE behind it, is that we are MEANT to be different. We are meant to be spread across the entire spectrum of human possibility. It is not our job as humans to "protect" humanity, because obviously many people have yet to understand it.



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Silver-Tiger said:

Yes, I chose to be gay, that's my lifestyle.

 

 

I will always be a happy, cheerful, optimistic and postive thinking man.

Correction: you chose to accept being gay. That’s different than being straight and then choosing to become gay :P



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DélioPT said:
naruball said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DélioPT just saying that both homo/hetero sex is a sin? Not loving your bf, but having sex with him (same as couples are not supposed to use a condom or enjoy sex, just do it to have children). So in that sense it is a choice: you can be (born) gay and not have sex for the rest of your life (I'm not saying that I agree with that, just that this is the Christian view, according to the bible).

It`s as naruball puts it: it`s the act that is seen as a sin, not the love part. Actually that`s a very important difference that people don´t realize and wrongly percieve the Christian point of view.

You're saying that if we stop having sex* and just lived together, shared the same bed, kissed then it would be all fine and dandy in the eyes of the Church?

*Not that I'm planning to do that



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naruball said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DélioPT just saying that both homo/hetero sex is a sin? Not loving your bf, but having sex with him (same as couples are not supposed to use a condom or enjoy sex, just do it to have children). So in that sense it is a choice: you can be (born) gay and not have sex for the rest of your life (I'm not saying that I agree with that, just that this is the Christian view, according to the bible).

And it's the Christian view that he (and I) are against (regarding both gay sex and straight sex). Though I'm pretty sure it's even a sin for two people of the same sex to have romantic feelings for eachother.



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In my case I didn't choose, I just felt it and knew. I really didn't have a choice and I ended up having feelings towards both but not because I wanted. Sometimes I sleep and question why I was born this way and why I ended up having those feelings but no praying will change that. I hide it because society isn't in favor.



 

        

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TruckOSaurus said:
DélioPT said:
naruball said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DélioPT just saying that both homo/hetero sex is a sin? Not loving your bf, but having sex with him (same as couples are not supposed to use a condom or enjoy sex, just do it to have children). So in that sense it is a choice: you can be (born) gay and not have sex for the rest of your life (I'm not saying that I agree with that, just that this is the Christian view, according to the bible).

It`s as naruball puts it: it`s the act that is seen as a sin, not the love part. Actually that`s a very important difference that people don´t realize and wrongly percieve the Christian point of view.

You're saying that if we stop having sex* and just lived together, shared the same bed, kissed then it would be all fine and dandy in the eyes of the Church?

*Not that I'm planning to do that

It actually wouldn't unless, because the feelings are themselves wrong in their eyes.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

TruckOSaurus said:
DélioPT said:
naruball said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DélioPT just saying that both homo/hetero sex is a sin? Not loving your bf, but having sex with him (same as couples are not supposed to use a condom or enjoy sex, just do it to have children). So in that sense it is a choice: you can be (born) gay and not have sex for the rest of your life (I'm not saying that I agree with that, just that this is the Christian view, according to the bible).

It`s as naruball puts it: it`s the act that is seen as a sin, not the love part. Actually that`s a very important difference that people don´t realize and wrongly percieve the Christian point of view.

You're saying that if we stop having sex* and just lived together, shared the same bed, kissed then it would be all fine and dandy in the eyes of the Church?

*Not that I'm planning to do that

how can couples stop having sex and just living miserable lives together without first getting married???!?



theprof00 said:

Great post!



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
DélioPT said:
naruball said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DélioPT just saying that both homo/hetero sex is a sin? Not loving your bf, but having sex with him (same as couples are not supposed to use a condom or enjoy sex, just do it to have children). So in that sense it is a choice: you can be (born) gay and not have sex for the rest of your life (I'm not saying that I agree with that, just that this is the Christian view, according to the bible).

It`s as naruball puts it: it`s the act that is seen as a sin, not the love part. Actually that`s a very important difference that people don´t realize and wrongly percieve the Christian point of view.

You're saying that if we stop having sex* and just lived together, shared the same bed, kissed then it would be all fine and dandy in the eyes of the Church?

*Not that I'm planning to do that

how can couples stop having sex and just living miserable lives together without first getting married???!?

So to stop guys from having sex together they should encourage gay marriage! Then the sinning would be over!

It makes perfect sense! © RolStoppable



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TruckOSaurus said:
DélioPT said:
naruball said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DélioPT just saying that both homo/hetero sex is a sin? Not loving your bf, but having sex with him (same as couples are not supposed to use a condom or enjoy sex, just do it to have children). So in that sense it is a choice: you can be (born) gay and not have sex for the rest of your life (I'm not saying that I agree with that, just that this is the Christian view, according to the bible).

It`s as naruball puts it: it`s the act that is seen as a sin, not the love part. Actually that`s a very important difference that people don´t realize and wrongly percieve the Christian point of view.

You're saying that if we stop having sex* and just lived together, shared the same bed, kissed then it would be all fine and dandy in the eyes of the Church?

*Not that I'm planning to do that

I was just referring to sex part as naruball did. Sex is one way of seeing the practice of homosexuality, but it`s broader than that. The act of homosexuality is about, in practice, assuming those feelings in your daily life: sex, kissing, etc.