naruball said:
TruckOSaurus said:
DélioPT said:
naruball said:
DélioPT said:
I hear people proclaim they were gay all their lives; i hear people proclaim they were but then they realised they were wrong, that they weren`t. Honestly, i don`t care if one is born with such inclination or it goes that way during their lives and i don`t think that it should matter to anyone, in a sense. Because, for us christians, it doesn`t matter how you were born, it`s what you do that makes it ok or not. We nor anyone should have anything against this or that person, but we do see the act of homosexuality as a sin. If people don`t agree at least try to understand our point of view: we do not wish for anyone to be descriminated for the person they are - even if some people do descriminate - but understand that, believing in what we believe, we cannot be by your side if you decide to practice homosexuality.
as i always say, and as Joelcoll said it, we are only against sins not the person behind it.
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Well to be honest, I am a Christian too and I identify myself as gay, but I totally get your point. However, you have to admit that some things seem quite ridiculous. Isn't it also a sin to wear synthetic clothers or eat shrimps? And how is it ok to take an eye for an eye, but also turn the other cheek? How many Christian guys masturbate or have premarital sex or drink/eat too much, swear, lie etc., while being fully aware that it is a sin? We don't call those sinners, now do we? I'm not suggesting that they're not according to the bible, but we seem to think it's okay-ish, since everyone does it, you know, we're only human. I haven't seen any people protest against those who have premarital sex (or signs of "God hates wankers"), so why do we make homosexuality a bigger deal than the rest?
I personally believe in the foundamental values of Christianity, such as love your enemy, forgive him, not cheating, stealing etc.
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Everybody sins. That`s my point. I am a sinner and i have conscience of what i do that is a sin - at least in the majority of cases. But that`s one way of seeing things as it makes easier to refer the person who sinned. I think the most honest way is to say someone sinned. It`s like saying that someone who lied is a liar. The fairest way is to say he/she sinned. " so why do we make homosexuality a bigger deal than the rest?" you are right. To me it`s no different than anything else like premarital sex as you mentioned or even casual sex, for that matter. I don`t treat it differently, at least i try no to as to not see someone else differently because of that extra importance.
For all that matter, we really are just human. We will make mistakes, if not today, tomorrow. But all that matters is that, when that happens, we can recognize what we did and ask forgiveness for our sins. God knows we aren`t perfect so He does forgive everything if we can honestly say we failed and ask for His' forgiveness.
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The underlined part is what gets to me. I WILL NOT ask for forgiveness for loving my boyfriend. I can't accept that every single day of my life is filled with sin just because I'm in love with a guy.
That's why people saying it's a sin is such a big deal: lying, premarital sex are individual acts you can ask forgiveness for but being gay is a permanent thing.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't DélioPT just saying that both homo/hetero sex is a sin? Not loving your bf, but having sex with him (same as couples are not supposed to use a condom or enjoy sex, just do it to have children). So in that sense it is a choice: you can be (born) gay and not have sex for the rest of your life (I'm not saying that I agree with that, just that this is the Christian view, according to the bible).
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