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I've never seen the problem with disc swapping.  I just have a slight problem with developers stuffing games full of pre-rendered FMVs that is often the cause for multiple discs.




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Disc swapping is not a problem for me or you. But it is a problem for developers needing to figure out how to design the game around the size limitations. The game has to be split up, and quite a lot of data needs to be repeated on each disk further limiting what part of the disk can be used for new content.

To make it all fit you get heavier compression on fmv, compressed sound, fewer language tracks, no extras such as storyboards and making of videos like we used to get with games. If you're just pressing one disk, you can add all you want until it's full for no extra cost, hence the extras with uncharted and ratchet and clank for example. I think it's more fun to unlock a making of video after completing the game then to get an achievement or trophy.

But it's not all bad, all the more reason to keep some content out and sell it as dlc later.

 

Personally I hate disc swapping for blu-ray movies. I never watch any extras if they're on a separate disk. Not because of the effort of swapping, but they always make you watch all the warnings and other crap again before you are even allowed to get to the menu. Just be glad games are not that annoying (yet)



It never was.



I'd rather install a game on a hard drive to allow for less wear and tear on the optical disc drive.  And then I have the luxury of not having to swap discs while the game potentially runs smoother.  Besides, no one is going to make me sit and wait to have a game installed.  I'll have it installed earlier while doing something else before play.  Why do some selectively forget this, go figure.



Hackers are poor nerds who don't wash.

Since when does installing take hours? :O

By the way, games like Final Fantasy XIII and God of War III come in dual layered Blu-Ray Discs and they don't require any installs... and God of War III doesn't even have any loading times...

Will L.A Noire require an install even though it comes in just a single layered BD? and will it take hours to complete that mandatory install if there's any?



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Nsanity said:

Examiner

It was recently announced that the Xbox 360 version of L.A. Noire, which releases in North America next week, would come on three discs. Despite Rockstar's assurances that disc-swapping would come at very natural breaks in the story and only have to be changed once (instead of swapping back when re-visiting an area or something), this news has sparked a firestorm of complaints from gamers. The question is: why?

If L.A. Noire has to come on multiple discs, that can only mean the game is huge. Considering GTA IV and Red Dead Redemption were both single disc games, could L.A. Noire be even longer than them? Gamers should be rejoicing that this game has so much content, not complaining. This is exciting news!

Secondly, have gamers today really gotten so lazy they can't even be bothered to get up off their couch once or twice every dozen hours of play? Remember back during the PlayStation 1 days when tons of games came on multiple discs? Nobody complained about Final Fantasy VII or Legend of Dragoon forcing you to swap discs at certain points in the game. Why do people complain now? L.A. Noire isn't even be the first 360 game with this requirement. Final Fantasy XIII came on three discs as well. Heck, Lost Odyssey came on four! It's really just not that bothersome and sitting down all day isn't very healthy, anyway.

It seems like a majority of the people voicing their opinions on this issue are PlayStation 3 owners who are pointing towards having to swap discs as a "problem" for the Xbox 360 that their console does not face. What's odd is that you rarely hear these same people mention the fact that so many PS3 games must be mandatorily installed before playing them. This can sometimes take hours depending on the game.

Would you rather have to wait hours to install a game before playing it or take thirty seconds to swap a disc halfway through the story? The answer to that one seems obvious.

http://www.examiner.com/xbox-360-in-national/disc-swapping-isn-t-a-problem

Im not tryn to stir up trouble or anything but article does make few good points.

Hahahahahahahahahahhaha! It doesn't take hours to install any game dude, what are you babbling about?! You are just absolutely wrong man! I think the maximum time I have spent installing a game was about 15 minutes, and those are the rare and LONG occassions. Lots of games dont even need an installation, and many that do take a few minutes only.

Also, just cause LA Noire is on 3 discs does not mean it is 3 times longer than Red Dead Redemption that came on 1 disc. The developers explained that the technology they used to capture all the facial animations take a huge amount of space and was the primary reason that pushed it to 3 discs. So you are basically playing a game of the same length as RDR or shorter,but having to swap out the disc a couple times during gameplay. No, it isn't a bid deal, you are right there at least, but it certainly is less convenient, and can pull you out of the immersion. But don't get me wrong, I certainly prefer my blu-ray fidelity far more than dvd. 

Anyway, don't get too upset over it, people with PS3s will enjoy its benefits and people with 360's will enjoy that machine's benefits, and both crowds will gloat about their respective benefits, cause that's just how gamers roll these days. But to open a thread on this subject, jeeze man!



Jordahn said:

I'd rather install a game on a hard drive to allow for less wear and tear on the optical disc drive.  And then I have the luxury of not having to swap discs while the game potentially runs smoother.  Besides, no one is going to make me sit and wait to have a game installed.  I'll have it installed earlier while doing something else before play.  Why do some selectively forget this, go figure.

Like make a sandwich?

http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/160128/capcom-on-devil-may-cry-4-ps3-install-time-go-make-a-sandwich/



Jdevil3 said:

Since when does installing take hours? :O

By the way, games like Final Fantasy XIII and God of War III come in dual layered Blu-Ray Discs and they don't require any installs... and God of War III doesn't even have any loading times...

Will L.A Noire require an install even though it comes in just a single layered BD? and will it take hours to complete that mandatory install if there's any?

The PS3 has a 2x CLV BD.  It reads dual-layer discs at the same speed.  The issue with developers requiring installs is because of seek times I believe.  Developers can either duplicate assets on the disc multiple times to make streaming data quicker or have a mandatory install.



Fumanchu said:
Jordahn said:

I'd rather install a game on a hard drive to allow for less wear and tear on the optical disc drive.  And then I have the luxury of not having to swap discs while the game potentially runs smoother.  Besides, no one is going to make me sit and wait to have a game installed.  I'll have it installed earlier while doing something else before play.  Why do some selectively forget this, go figure.

Like make a sandwich?

http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/160128/capcom-on-devil-may-cry-4-ps3-install-time-go-make-a-sandwich/


Sounds like a plan to me. 



Hackers are poor nerds who don't wash.

dude, people get annoyed when they have to get up because nature calls so why wouldnt they be annoyed if their forced to get up to change disks??