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RROD, that broke your xbox, and you lost it for several weeks or worst have to buy an new one. PSN is an free service currently inactive. Big deal. 



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mchaza said:

RROD, that broke your xbox, and you lost it for several weeks or worst have to buy an new one. PSN is an free service currently inactive. Big deal. 


Your missing the big picture. It has nothing to do with not being able to play online for a couple of weeks, but Sony allowing 77 million psn accounts to be comprimised, let alone waiting a week to tell everyone. I guess potentially getting your indentity stolen isn't that big of a deal to you? I'm amazed how forgiving some people are to Sony because if this was MS I would be fucking pissed beyond belief. 



Hmm, its actually kinda dumb to even compare this topic. Okay so what psn outage happened like once, okay so what. That can easily be fixed and will be back up even stronger than before. Then on top of that thats just only the online aspect of it, people tend to forget that their was actually a time in gaming where multiplayer online didnt exist and games were bought just off the single player. Ps3 has a good library of single player games to go with multiplayer as well. Then on top of that rrod forces to get another 360 and is a hassle to keep replacing. The ps3 proves to be more superior in technical power and durability along with many features. Outages like this were bound to happen, its about recovoring from it and moving on. Which sony will do.



It all depends on who is suffering more.

RROD was a real pain for the consumers, buying a 360, it breaks, have it repared then breaks again, having it changed for a refurbished one and hoping it'll work. Then there are MS reps saying things like : "Things break!"... really? MS deserved all the bad press around the RROD and they're lucky to have sold so many still. It cost them a billion and now they've fixed and we should stop the hate about it since it's over.

PSN being down isn't such a big deal for PS3 owners except for those that mainly play online (COD, DCU etc), people can still play their PS3 unlike the RROD.

The big problem though lies in the fact that personnal info such as CC numbers may have been stolen.I swear those who think it's not such a big deal need a reality check, someone tried to steal my identity last year, I lost my wallet but it was almost empty with no cards except for my driving license, that's all they needed. With only one card, they registered a new car and got arrested multiple times, I recieved the bills but didn't know what it was all about until I realised I had been frauded. Seriously this is no joke it's not just "some info" it's more than enough to make your life like hell if they can.

Then there are the devs. Games are released over the PS Store so are download content. How can they reach customers if the only store for them to sell is closed? They should be pissed, like the Infamous 2 beta etc.

 

Customers -> RROD (and should worry for identity theft but most don't seem to care, I sincerely hope it never happens to you)

Devs -> PSN down... loss of revenue.



smroadkill15 said:
mchaza said:

RROD, that broke your xbox, and you lost it for several weeks or worst have to buy an new one. PSN is an free service currently inactive. Big deal. 


Your missing the big picture. It has nothing to do with not being able to play online for a couple of weeks, but Sony allowing 77 million psn accounts to be comprimised, let alone waiting a week to tell everyone. I guess potentially getting your indentity stolen isn't that big of a deal to you? I'm amazed how forgiving some people are to Sony because if this was MS I would be fucking pissed beyond belief. 

Oh Im sure you would. The pciture you seem to be missing is that Sony along side with other credit card companies said there are no evidnce for any stolen credit card theft as of now. And Microsoft allowed, what 10-15 million CONSOLES to go to shit? How can people comapre these 2 is amazing.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:

A RROD kills your entire system so you can't play games.  And has been a consistent problem overe the entire course of the XBOX360.

PSN just doesn't allow you to utilize the online features of your PS3.  But you can still play single player games.  And its only been about 2 weeks of downtime, which is less than whatyou'd be down sending your XBNOX360 in for 'repairs'.  Especially if your XBOX360 has died 3-5 times like many people.

I don't know why people keep making this thread.  2 Weeks vs 6 years of problems is pretty easy to compare.


PSN is not a 2 weeks problem. Personal information was stolen for lifetime.

Potentially PSN could be worse if the information gets to be used.



RRoD lasted years, it had a failure rate 3 times what MS initially predicted, on the first series, and the first mobo redesign wasn't enough to solve it, neither could the successive ones, refurbishing faulty units instead of replacing them with new ones resulted in the same units often needing more than one repair, furtherly multiplying costs, only 360S with total redesign and complete switch to die-shrunk, low power main components solved it. 

And luckily for Sony, MS must keep quiet and an extremely low profile (that is only letting its minions and astroturfers doing totally unofficially the dirty work on  the net) trying to spin the PSN incident, otherwise it could become the next target of the hackers. Again, as XBL was already targeted by hackers several times, they even managed to hack Major Nelson's account (if they could hack high execs accounts, who could tell us they couldn't steal any sensible data of XBL users?).

This said, Sony should follow the MS way and hire real experts like Akamai to manage its public sites (ironic how load balancing, site mirroring, DDoS protection and many other important services are performed for MS using Open Source SW, often Linux and other GPL licensed ones that MS hates so much  ), and maybe also getting help for its internal network wouldn't hurt.



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famousringo said:
Chrizum said:

I guess PS3 gamers don't mind their personal data being stolen and their credit cards being sold...


Yeah, seems that way.

Look, nobody cares that PSN is offline for a few days. Online services go down all the time. It's embarrassing, but you get the service back up as soon as you can, perhaps find some way to compensate your customers, and life goes on.

People care because their personal information and credit card info was stolen. A single lost CC could potentially cause thousands of dollars of damages, and lost personal information could lead to the special hell called identity theft.

RRoD is fixable. Microsoft promised to replace or repair any 360 with that fault. Sony cannot fix or replace your credit card or your identity. Not only is this worse than the RRoD, it is impossible for Sony to actually make amends.

I think some people don't own a CC or are too young to have one.. the damage of this identity theft could hurt for years.. if something happens yes you can get your money back but what some people don't realize is that your Credit Score would take a hit.. and if that happen you would be screwed.. then you wouldn't get a loan to buy a house, car or anything else.. and no.. it isn't easy to get your credit score back up... and with the info they could open up accounts in other countries before you realize something happend..



 

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The issue with the RROD was recognised and a programme to replace faulty units put into place (YLOD was never officially recognised by Sony and no free repair ever offered despite it being the same issue with a reduced failure rate, given but still high).

For me only the RROD has affected me, I lost my 360 for 4 days I was expecting worse as at the sime we had servere postal issues due to weather and it was Christmas bu the UPS guy pulled up on the last working day before Christmas so ironically I was actually pleased with the service (I know a service to replace faulty equipment).

Whereas the RROD issue affected the early models and was progressively reduced through design changes the data theft potentially has no end so I say data theft. I would also ask the question of how long does the PSN service need to be down before somr of you guys think its worse.

Lame comparisons to intermittent Live outages or the access to senior officials Live accounts do not compare favourably nor does the PSN to RROD for that matter but hey ho!



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RROD cost MS over $1billion, and I don't think that the PSN thing is going to have anywhere near as large an effect on Sony.



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