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Ummm RROD did not end 3 years ago. Oh you, so delusional and trying to cling on to lord M$. Anyways, RROD did not end until 360S, and if I recall that didn't come out till roughly a year ago? So ummm yea. Perhaps it dropped down from 33-55% to about 20% at one point iirc but RROD was still massive. In any case, my criticism goes directly to Sony PR, they should be fired immediately. The moment they shut the service down, I would have immediately ordered for my team to email all customers and I would directly post on the official PS site on the situation and would state that people's info may be compromised so as a precaution take the necessary measures.



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Right now I'm going to say RRoD is worse since so many people were affected by it whereas the PSN security breach hasn't fucked up that many people yet. I think it's scary that our personal information and possibly our credit (or debit card if you use that) info was compromised though. PSN being down should be the least of your worries. Though it certainly is annoying. Even if you don't play online often (I haven't gamed online on PSN for almost 3 months now and I haven't on Xbox Live since like late October I think. I let my Gold subscription run out in mid-February because my yearly subscription for the most part went to waste as I barely played online) or don't care about updating your trophies, not having access to game updates is annoying. I rented Enslaved (a single-player game) during the PSN outage and I ran into a glitch that wouldn't allow me to progress. Even restarting from the checkpoint the glitch was still there. I'd imagine that Ninja Theory fixed that problem with a patch but I can't download the patch since PSN is down. Should have rented the 360 version instead. lol)



Lets see which is worse, a free online service being down for a few weeks and no1 lossing anything and if they did Sony is protecting them up to 1 mil, or millions of people having their console die half of them having to pay for any repairs/replacement out of their own pocket I think the RROD is worse 

 

now lets see from a corperate prespective, tens of millions or 1.05 billion

media circus for a few weeks and everyone forgetting vs  public being reminded every couple of months for years 

yea RROD was way worse 



demonfox13 said:

Ummm RROD did not end 3 years ago. Oh you, so delusional and trying to cling on to lord M$. Anyways, RROD did not end until 360S, and if I recall that didn't come out till roughly a year ago? So ummm yea. Perhaps it dropped down from 33-55% to about 20% at one point iirc but RROD was still massive. In any case, my criticism goes directly to Sony PR, they should be fired immediately. The moment they shut the service down, I would have immediately ordered for my team to email all customers and I would directly post on the official PS site on the situation and would state that people's info may be compromised so as a precaution take the necessary measures.

Sony didn't know anything was compremissed when they took the servers down... and the result would be the exact same people are just looking for fault, they don't actual care if Sony was at fault or not 



Tony_Stark said:
Reasonable said:
NJ5 said:
Reasonable said:

RROD was purely self created issue, a result IMHO of MS rushing the 360 to market instead of taking longer and producing a better piece of electronics.

PSN is a purely external issue (FYI I don't hold with all the "asking for it" crap.  Hacking anything is a choice) and no down to Sony directly themselves.


RROD - Possibly MS's fault for rushing hardware design.

PSN hack - Possibly Sony's fault for rushing network design.

While I agree that the PSN hack is not only due to Sony, I don't think the distinction is as big as you painted it.


Nope.  While Sony may or may not have had good enough security that's beside the point.  As I noted "they were asking for it" doesn't count in principle.  Even if Sony had no security that wouldn't excuse a malicious hack of their systems.

The fault is 100% on the hackers.  That's the way it has to be legally.  Sony's fault is a customer service fault but they take no blame for the hack.  There is no evidence on rushing PSN and even if their security was lax that doesn't allow for any tolerance of someone deciding to hack their systems.


Nope, legally Sony is responsible for handling PSN user's data. Those whos data was comprimized very well could sue Sony. Sony in turn, can go after the hackers.


You're not reading my point correctly.  There are two elements not one which is the mistake most people - sorry to sound arrogant - are making in this thread.

Sony ARE responsible for the data - as a I clearly noted.  But no matter how poorly they handle the data it doesn't mitigate the responsibility on the hackers.

If Sony had poor security the hackers aren't only 60% to blame.  The hackers are 100% to blame for hacking no matter what Sony's security was like.

So again, as I clearly noted Sony may well have failed from a customer service/data point of view - but that doesn't directly change the situation regarding the legallity of the hack.

Also, to be blunt, given Sony did have security and passwords were not in plain text and CC details were encrypted while they could be deemed to have had issues I doubt they are legally at fauly in a clear way - as opposed to the hack.  No doubt they could be - probably are - sued from a civil perspective, but they haven't broken any laws I'm aware of in this matter.



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it depends on how you look at it

i got a reall question? which one cost more to the consomer, PSN being down or a 360 that RROD on you?

you still have to factor in that some PSNer's don't have PS and same for XB-live.



demonfox13 said:

Ummm RROD did not end 3 years ago. Oh you, so delusional and trying to cling on to lord M$. Anyways, RROD did not end until 360S, and if I recall that didn't come out till roughly a year ago? So ummm yea. Perhaps it dropped down from 33-55% to about 20% at one point iirc but RROD was still massive. In any case, my criticism goes directly to Sony PR, they should be fired immediately. The moment they shut the service down, I would have immediately ordered for my team to email all customers and I would directly post on the official PS site on the situation and would state that people's info may be compromised so as a precaution take the necessary measures.

Actually I believe it ended with the falcon chipset or whatever the chipsets name that came out 1 1/2 years before the slim.  Which would be about 3 years ago....soooo ummm yea, nice BS percentages by the way. 



MARCUSDJACKSON said:

it depends on how you look at it

i got a reall question? which one cost more to the consomer, PSN being down or a 360 that RROD on you?

you still have to factor in that some PSNer's don't have PS and same for XB-live.

Sony has everyone covered up to a million if anything even happens, so it's basically psn being down versus having your console get fried and have a 1 in 2 chance of being under warrenty 2-3 years later, I think the second one is worse



scat398 said:
demonfox13 said:

Ummm RROD did not end 3 years ago. Oh you, so delusional and trying to cling on to lord M$. Anyways, RROD did not end until 360S, and if I recall that didn't come out till roughly a year ago? So ummm yea. Perhaps it dropped down from 33-55% to about 20% at one point iirc but RROD was still massive. In any case, my criticism goes directly to Sony PR, they should be fired immediately. The moment they shut the service down, I would have immediately ordered for my team to email all customers and I would directly post on the official PS site on the situation and would state that people's info may be compromised so as a precaution take the necessary measures.

Actually I believe it ended with the falcon chipset or whatever the chipsets name that came out 1 1/2 years before the slim.  Which would be about 3 years ago....soooo ummm yea, nice BS percentages by the way. 

Let's see MSes official numbers of the failrates for all models, oh wait they didn't release them, I wonder why if the problem was "fixed"



manuel said:

RROD.

No question at all. Personally I don't use PSN very often. I wouldn't even have noticed the outage if I didn't read about it.

RROD is the biggest reason why I don't want to buy a 360. If I buy electronics I want them to last and if a failure is almost guaranteed (or if I get that impression), then I'm not interested.

Slim fixed all that and the later phat models had much less chance to RROD, hell i have yet to hear of one that was manufactured in 2009, that has broken down. In 2007 RROD was a huge thing, today its basically like YLOD; it happens, but not to many people (unless you got an old console).

If you have a fat PS3 (i do) i would be much more worried about that than a 360 thats from 2009 and forth as you still within the warranty plus they are better made than the fiasco that was the first models. If you are going out to buy a new console today, both are fine and you should not have a problem with them except maybe with the drives, but since games can be played from the HDD on both consoles now days, you shouldn't have to worry about that either.