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Obieslut was a genius!!! Wii sales always had a limit? Yey or nay?

Wii sales always had a limit 28 20.14%
 
Ninty did not take advant... 22 15.83%
 
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M.U.G.E.N on 07 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
RolStoppable said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

by 2006-2007 economy was already starting to go down under. And again, I hate repeating this to you, price IS a factor, 'a' not the biggest or anything. if you think a casual who walks into a store just to get a holiday gift for a kid will consider all the games coming out for it....well not sure what to think of that lol. Heck considering how lacking the number of good games have been on the wii (thanks to the 3rd parties ditiching it for the HD's) it should have been selling way way less in the past year.

and the argument was not whether ps3 COULD have sold for a lesser price because it couldn't as it packs way more than the wii. If they had just upgraded it a bit from the ps2, with ps2 sales still going strong and the brand name still fresh on the minds of consumers, they could have easily given a bigger competition in the early years for Ninty. But like I said, Ninty was smart, added motion control for the wow factors, made it affordable and cheaper in comparison, marketed it well and made few games to show off the tech to casuals. So like I said they did a lot of things right together to be so succcessful early on. But price did play a part, however significant it may have been, we may never know.

I would love to see Ninty come up with some out of this world tech (holograms! lol yea I wish) and price their console $500 and have many many great games from the start, no ports, and see how it sells in the long run. would be amusing to have this conversation then.

It really only began in late 2008, before that the average person certainly wasn't concerned about the economy. Price is a factor, but it really is negligible in the Wii's case. Even if the PS3 had been just a rather minor upgrade to the PS2 and priced accordingly, it wouldn't have impacted Wii sales. Those were driven by Wii Sports which the PS3 wouldn't have had anyway. You act as if people are stupid. You assume they, in large numbers, would willingly buy a console they do not want, only for the reason that it is cheaper than another system. The viral effect of the Wii wasn't "You have to buy this system because it costs less than the HD consoles", it was "You've got to check out Wii Sports!"

The Gamecube showed pretty clearly how significant of a role price plays in video game hardware sales.


nah pretty sure it the whole collapse was starting to gain momentum in 2007. I can remember well since I came to the US in late late 2006. And in 2007 the housing bubble burst etc were going full swing and people were starting to panic.

and again yor are jumping to assumptions. Who said the consumers are stupid? I keep restating that price is just ONE aspect of the case but an aspect nontheless. People won't buy a product like this if it didn't have anything that interests them as well (in this case games) but consumers will always compare products. And price will play a role, especially if one can notice a big difference between one and the competition.

so stop jumping into conclusions cuz it's getting silly. the point I'm making is simple and clear. Many things helped Wii sell so well initially, and price IS one of those things. To what extent it had an impact we will never know for sure so non-stop back and forth bickering about it won't do any good. But an impact it had for sure, as did motion control craze, games and marketing and so forth. Simple as that

Gamecube afaik did not have a ps2 priced way way higher than it to compete with. and it did not have motion control craze or any wow factor attatched to it. and ps2 gaming library overall was better too. Not a good comparison there.


Your right... but wrong.   It started December 2007.

So... right in the specific, but wrong in the context.

It didn't really get reported or considered a problem until Late December... 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_recession


again iirc end of 2007 was when it was 'official' in the media but the slide/signs started way early in the year

here is an example

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article294.html

but yeah it was already going downhill way before the recession



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scottie on 07 May 2011

1) Get a graph of Wii hardware sales over time.

2) Place dots on this graph representing the release of big games (try for 5M, and 10 M)

3) Realise how wrong you and Obieslut are about the causes

4) ...

5) Profit?

 

Edit - my actual point - a low price is required for high sales, but it is not the main thing. People will buy a console if they can afford it, and it has games that interest them. for years, Wii hardware was pushed by a steady stream of huge games, wii Sports, Play, Fit, Fitplus, WSR, Mario Kart, Galaxy. Then Nintendo 1st party shifted most of its attention to the DS for a while, then to the 3DS and now to the Wii2. 3rd parties did not pick up the slack, because their laughable attempts at making Wii games failed for the most part.



Lastgengamer on 07 May 2011

Everything has a limit, although that doesn't really matter until (insert system) is out of production anyway. 



Kasz216 on 07 May 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:
Kasz216 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
RolStoppable said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

by 2006-2007 economy was already starting to go down under. And again, I hate repeating this to you, price IS a factor, 'a' not the biggest or anything. if you think a casual who walks into a store just to get a holiday gift for a kid will consider all the games coming out for it....well not sure what to think of that lol. Heck considering how lacking the number of good games have been on the wii (thanks to the 3rd parties ditiching it for the HD's) it should have been selling way way less in the past year.

and the argument was not whether ps3 COULD have sold for a lesser price because it couldn't as it packs way more than the wii. If they had just upgraded it a bit from the ps2, with ps2 sales still going strong and the brand name still fresh on the minds of consumers, they could have easily given a bigger competition in the early years for Ninty. But like I said, Ninty was smart, added motion control for the wow factors, made it affordable and cheaper in comparison, marketed it well and made few games to show off the tech to casuals. So like I said they did a lot of things right together to be so succcessful early on. But price did play a part, however significant it may have been, we may never know.

I would love to see Ninty come up with some out of this world tech (holograms! lol yea I wish) and price their console $500 and have many many great games from the start, no ports, and see how it sells in the long run. would be amusing to have this conversation then.

It really only began in late 2008, before that the average person certainly wasn't concerned about the economy. Price is a factor, but it really is negligible in the Wii's case. Even if the PS3 had been just a rather minor upgrade to the PS2 and priced accordingly, it wouldn't have impacted Wii sales. Those were driven by Wii Sports which the PS3 wouldn't have had anyway. You act as if people are stupid. You assume they, in large numbers, would willingly buy a console they do not want, only for the reason that it is cheaper than another system. The viral effect of the Wii wasn't "You have to buy this system because it costs less than the HD consoles", it was "You've got to check out Wii Sports!"

The Gamecube showed pretty clearly how significant of a role price plays in video game hardware sales.


nah pretty sure it the whole collapse was starting to gain momentum in 2007. I can remember well since I came to the US in late late 2006. And in 2007 the housing bubble burst etc were going full swing and people were starting to panic.

and again yor are jumping to assumptions. Who said the consumers are stupid? I keep restating that price is just ONE aspect of the case but an aspect nontheless. People won't buy a product like this if it didn't have anything that interests them as well (in this case games) but consumers will always compare products. And price will play a role, especially if one can notice a big difference between one and the competition.

so stop jumping into conclusions cuz it's getting silly. the point I'm making is simple and clear. Many things helped Wii sell so well initially, and price IS one of those things. To what extent it had an impact we will never know for sure so non-stop back and forth bickering about it won't do any good. But an impact it had for sure, as did motion control craze, games and marketing and so forth. Simple as that

Gamecube afaik did not have a ps2 priced way way higher than it to compete with. and it did not have motion control craze or any wow factor attatched to it. and ps2 gaming library overall was better too. Not a good comparison there.


Your right... but wrong.   It started December 2007.

So... right in the specific, but wrong in the context.

It didn't really get reported or considered a problem until Late December... 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_recession


again iirc end of 2007 was when it was 'official' in the media but the slide/signs started way early in the year

here is an example

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article294.html

but yeah it was already going downhill way before the recession

Signs don't really mean anything.

It was "official" in December 2008.

It started in December 2007.

It didn't really effect most people, and most people weren't even aware of it till mid to late 2008.  Therefore to suggest it effected consumer choices earlier is silly.

If anything there is usually a lag when it comes to this stuff, as it takes  while for reality to hit in, as people have the "Well it won't effect me!" menatlity.



M.U.G.E.N on 07 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:


again iirc end of 2007 was when it was 'official' in the media but the slide/signs started way early in the year

here is an example

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article294.html

but yeah it was already going downhill way before the recession

Signs don't really mean anything.

It was "official" in December 2008.

It started in December 2007.

It didn't really effect most people, and most people weren't even aware of it till mid to late 2008.  Therefore to suggest it effected consumer choices earlier is silly.

If anything there is usually a lag when it comes to this stuff, as it takes  while for reality to hit in, as people have the "Well it won't effect me!" menatlity.


signs as in problems have already started by atleast half way through 2007. Those who had trouble cuz of it won't give a rats ass about when it became 'official'. Being official means media will go on about it non-stop and even those who are not affected (at least directly) will start panicing and become aware of it. And again you are talking about recession while I'm talking about economic troubles in the US. And trust me it was going downhill for sure. So I disagree, a recession doesn't happen over night, troubles have already started way before that and people WERE affected. Look up articles around early-mid 2007 if you like and you will see what I mean. Either way this is not the point of the thread and we are kinda derailing it.



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Kasz216 on 08 May 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:
Kasz216 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:


again iirc end of 2007 was when it was 'official' in the media but the slide/signs started way early in the year

here is an example

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article294.html

but yeah it was already going downhill way before the recession

Signs don't really mean anything.

It was "official" in December 2008.

It started in December 2007.

It didn't really effect most people, and most people weren't even aware of it till mid to late 2008.  Therefore to suggest it effected consumer choices earlier is silly.

If anything there is usually a lag when it comes to this stuff, as it takes  while for reality to hit in, as people have the "Well it won't effect me!" menatlity.


signs as in problems have already started by atleast half way through 2007. Those who had trouble cuz of it won't give a rats ass about when it became 'official'. Being official means media will go on about it non-stop and even those who are not affected (at least directly) will start panicing and become aware of it. And again you are talking about recession while I'm talking about economic troubles in the US. And trust me it was going downhill for sure. So I disagree, a recession doesn't happen over night, troubles have already started way before that and people WERE affected. Look up articles around early-mid 2007 if you like and you will see what I mean. Either way this is not the point of the thread and we are kinda derailing it.

That's just not the case.  Not on any large scale. The economy slowed, however it was still growing.

Most people were still prospering, just slower.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17716248

Not a big deal though.



famousringo on 08 May 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:

can't believe people still think price doesn't matter >_> baffles me


What matters is value divided by price. Value is comprised of many varied factors, so looking only at price  is seeing less than half the equation.



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M.U.G.E.N on 08 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Kasz216 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:


again iirc end of 2007 was when it was 'official' in the media but the slide/signs started way early in the year

here is an example

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article294.html

but yeah it was already going downhill way before the recession

Signs don't really mean anything.

It was "official" in December 2008.

It started in December 2007.

It didn't really effect most people, and most people weren't even aware of it till mid to late 2008.  Therefore to suggest it effected consumer choices earlier is silly.

If anything there is usually a lag when it comes to this stuff, as it takes  while for reality to hit in, as people have the "Well it won't effect me!" menatlity.


signs as in problems have already started by atleast half way through 2007. Those who had trouble cuz of it won't give a rats ass about when it became 'official'. Being official means media will go on about it non-stop and even those who are not affected (at least directly) will start panicing and become aware of it. And again you are talking about recession while I'm talking about economic troubles in the US. And trust me it was going downhill for sure. So I disagree, a recession doesn't happen over night, troubles have already started way before that and people WERE affected. Look up articles around early-mid 2007 if you like and you will see what I mean. Either way this is not the point of the thread and we are kinda derailing it.

That's just not the case.  Not on any large scale. The economy slowed, however it was still growing.

Most people were still prospering, just slower.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17716248

Not a big deal though.

Like I said, a recession that was claimed to have started in December, won't happen over night and as I showed you with my link earlier (the housing bubble one) there were signs of trouble. here is another one for you

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5964

and again I wasn't saying recession was underway already as recession is more or less a technical term. But yeah the ball had already started to roll, at least by mid 2007. 

Actually even going by the link you just posted it talks of areas the US economy had some major problems in as well. But again this is something that we can argue on for pages tho and is kinda derailing at this point. Feel free to post in my wall if you want to keep this discussion going and I'm more than happy to continue.



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M.U.G.E.N on 08 May 2011
famousringo said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

can't believe people still think price doesn't matter >_> baffles me


What matters is value divided by price. Value is comprised of many varied factors, so looking only at price  is seeing less than half the equation.


oh by all means yes. and that is exactly what I've been telling Rol if you see my response to him. Price was just one of many things Ninty did right at the start of the gen, but it certainly did play a part.



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TheConduit on 08 May 2011

EVERY CONSOLE HAS A SALES LIMIT. I mean what console didnt?



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