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Grimes said:

It doesn't really matter if you think addresses and phone numbers are private.

What matters is that it is a an industry standard that such information is private. It is an industry practice that this data is to be protected according to industry standards. This is how they will be judged in a court of law whether you like it or not.


Well said.



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evolution_1ne said:
Gnizmo said:
evolution_1ne said:
 

you lost me at the last part lol


The short of it is, people you see on this website have multiple accounts. Most PS3 users don't have multiple accounts depsite this.

I'm willing to bet other wise


That would be a really stupid bet considering he's already proven you wrong... with facts directly from Sony.  If you'd like though, we could put money in an escrow service, and then I could just repost the link and collect.

It's not really a hard concept grasp though.... more hardcore videogame users are more likely to visit videogame based sites.

It's the same reason you can never trust reactions on the boards to follow through with reactions in sales.  Websites like this have crazy sample bias.



Gnizmo said:
Icyedge said:
 

 

Are we talking about Amazon gift card or credit card? If credit card, are you sure they arent asking for identification number of verifiable source like drivers license or health insurance*? It just dont seem realist to me that you can get a credit card by giving your name, adress and date of birth. But if your sure of that, fine, im glad that its at least verified here in Canada. I had people refused because of false identity. I also had the agency faxing back a demand because the identification number wasnt good and when you would check back with the customer youd notice that you had in fact, written a wrong number on the demand.


Credit card. Driver's license shouldn't be required as not everyone has it. The best you have for a universal identifier for USA citizens is the SSN. The amount of accidental SSN fraud in the USA is actually quite staggering, so intentional would be a breeze really. Fear of being identified solely as a number (due to left over WW2 concerns) when the system was implemented intentionally crippled yhe ability to use it as an identifier.

* Health insurance as a means of identification? You Canadians are so cute. People in the USA are super tough and never get sick, apparently. Consequently our health care system sucks ass, and there is no way to use it to verify anything.

You'd be surprised actually about the US Healthcare system.  In actual medical treatment it does quite well for itself vs other countries.  The only reason it's ranked so bad in international studies is because they tend to use indirect variables rather then direct ones.

For example, Life Expectancy... which CAN be indictive of healthcare, but isn't really because it doesn't adjust for things like violent crime, propensity of illness, lifestyle choices of the general public etc... and even then the US life Expectance = UK's.

Then a bunch of unrelated factors that tend to cause confirmation bias.  For example, how socialized your healthcare system is, is usually one of the factors. 

The only actual healthcare statistic that's usual provided is infant mortality rate.  However, it's unstandardized.  The US infant mortality rate standardized is right in line with Europeon numbers, however in reports it's usually reported as much higher... because in the US Infant Mortality Rate = Any Infant that has born and died.  It is a measure of exactly what it says.  Infant Mortality.  While in most other developed countries "Infant Mortality = Number of infants who have died after meeting certain weight or length requirements."

It's more of a "How many babies that should live... die." type of measure.

Really the big issue with the majority US healthcare is considered to be over treatment.  US patients actually see doctors more often, have tests persrcibed more often etc... cancer is caught much sooner, operations are done faster, there is less of a wait and see approach on things like cancer.

I mean, consider the UK and the US.   Similar life expectencies... the same on the last report I saw in fact.  Yet the US has more cases of chronic diseases like high cholesteral and diabetes, lower stress, less crime, though granted higher smoking.  How does that make any sense?

Then you have the VERY underrated cultural factors.  Which I refer to the book Outliers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/outliers.htm

Also one issue is, I think the US likely has more talented doctors even if you do take the system as deficient.  Afterall, you can make a much better life as a doctor for yourself here.   Also, despire recent failings in public schools, the US is still considered to have the best universities system.



Icyedge said:
Gnizmo said:
Icyedge said:
 

Theres is other thing that can be use for sure. The student card can be trace back, passport ect. Here you cant get a credit card without providing 2 of those type of sources. It still leaves place for ID theft, but not with the information that store in Sonys database. Its no wander we dont ask companies to encrypt the name, adress and date of birth of their customer. That doesnt excuse Sony if there was negligence though.


Well thats good. Glad for the Canadians at the least. Hopefully the USA will get a wake up call and either put more stringent requirments on credit cards, or on personal data storage. I suspect it won't happen, but it could.

I hope for you, because if its as you claim, your neighbor, schoolmates and/or colleagues can have a credit card under your name pretty easily, let alone all of your family and friends.


Actually, one of my friends was really pissed at his dad for some personal matters and did just that.  Boy his dad was not happy when he found out... (because my friend couldn't pay the bill and he got a call... he didn't bother to change the contact info.)

I also had another friend who's credit was ruined because her ex husband took out a bunch of money and bought a bunch of furniture in credit, all on her name after they were divorced.  He just had his girlfriend impersonate her.



Erm i don't understand why people are arguing about PSN account numbers -- it is 77million accounds, 35million of which are master accounts, the rest are sub accounts. Sub accounts are used so parents can set limits on things like spending on PSN, online play, etc. It has been awhile but if a remember correctly atleast at launch you credit card details had to be stored on master accounts, so that limits it to a maximum of 35million accounts using credit cards (and even then some accounts are bound to be duplicates, some won't use credit cards, etc.)

 As for other user data -- it is easy to find out a persons Name, Address, Phone Number, gender. All you need to do is look at sources like the electrol roll or phone books... hell you can get some basic details about people by just calling up people at random... so yea the information's value is mainly that others know your a PSN user and you know PSN was hacked -- so they can do things like phising scams. As for the value of credit card numbers -- they arn't worth much at all without the CVV2 or Eletromagnetic strip/Chip data.

Anyway where is the news and speculation over CHEA-3001A (or whatever the new PS3 hardware was filed under for the FCC)



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Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
Gnizmo said:
Icyedge said:
 

Theres is other thing that can be use for sure. The student card can be trace back, passport ect. Here you cant get a credit card without providing 2 of those type of sources. It still leaves place for ID theft, but not with the information that store in Sonys database. Its no wander we dont ask companies to encrypt the name, adress and date of birth of their customer. That doesnt excuse Sony if there was negligence though.


Well thats good. Glad for the Canadians at the least. Hopefully the USA will get a wake up call and either put more stringent requirments on credit cards, or on personal data storage. I suspect it won't happen, but it could.

I hope for you, because if its as you claim, your neighbor, schoolmates and/or colleagues can have a credit card under your name pretty easily, let alone all of your family and friends.


Actually, one of my friends was really pissed at his dad for some personal matters and did just that.  Boy his dad was not happy when he found out... (because my friend couldn't pay the bill and he got a call... he didn't bother to change the contact info.)

I also had another friend who's credit was ruined because her ex husband took out a bunch of money and bought a bunch of furniture in credit, all on her name after they were divorced.  He just had his girlfriend impersonate her.


Does they at least had to steal some kind of ID or were they able to do that solely with name, address and date of birth? This would people possible here in Canada also since the people that you trust and are close to you have access to sensitive information.



Easily the dumbest article I've read today, and I only stopped where he said it's better you were only one of 35 million instead of one of 1.4 million.

There's plenty of reason to get worked up over this.  Even if they didn't get my credit card information, they still have my name, address, email, PSN handle, and password.  Luckily I don't use the same password for any two sites but most people do. I only have to worry about getting junk mail and spam now, other people have to worry about a lot more.

That's a pretty massive problem.   People have plenty of reason to be pissed off.



Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
Gnizmo said:
Icyedge said:
 

Theres is other thing that can be use for sure. The student card can be trace back, passport ect. Here you cant get a credit card without providing 2 of those type of sources. It still leaves place for ID theft, but not with the information that store in Sonys database. Its no wander we dont ask companies to encrypt the name, adress and date of birth of their customer. That doesnt excuse Sony if there was negligence though.


Well thats good. Glad for the Canadians at the least. Hopefully the USA will get a wake up call and either put more stringent requirments on credit cards, or on personal data storage. I suspect it won't happen, but it could.

I hope for you, because if its as you claim, your neighbor, schoolmates and/or colleagues can have a credit card under your name pretty easily, let alone all of your family and friends.


Actually, one of my friends was really pissed at his dad for some personal matters and did just that.  Boy his dad was not happy when he found out... (because my friend couldn't pay the bill and he got a call... he didn't bother to change the contact info.)

I also had another friend who's credit was ruined because her ex husband took out a bunch of money and bought a bunch of furniture in credit, all on her name after they were divorced.  He just had his girlfriend impersonate her.


Does they at least had to steal some kind of ID or were they able to do that solely with name, address and date of birth? This would people possible here in Canada also since the people that you trust and are close to you have access to sensitive information.

As fas as I know he just sent in the form that came in the mail putting down his name and address... and the ex husband just had his girlfriend sign her name on the forms.



Aprisaiden said:

Erm i don't understand why people are arguing about PSN account numbers -- it is 77million accounds, 35million of which are master accounts, the rest are sub accounts. Sub accounts are used so parents can set limits on things like spending on PSN, online play, etc. It has been awhile but if a remember correctly atleast at launch you credit card details had to be stored on master accounts, so that limits it to a maximum of 35million accounts using credit cards (and even then some accounts are bound to be duplicates, some won't use credit cards, etc.)

 As for other user data -- it is easy to find out a persons Name, Address, Phone Number, gender. All you need to do is look at sources like the electrol roll or phone books... hell you can get some basic details about people by just calling up people at random... so yea the information's value is mainly that others know your a PSN user and you know PSN was hacked -- so they can do things like phising scams. As for the value of credit card numbers -- they arn't worth much at all without the CVV2 or Eletromagnetic strip/Chip data.

Anyway where is the news and speculation over CHEA-3001A (or whatever the new PS3 hardware was filed under for the FCC)


There are at least 40 million PS3 master accounts according to Sony. I linked their press release in this thread. Look up "PSN user accounts exceed 69 million". 80% of PS3s are connected to the internet, and you need at least one account per to make it worl. The 35 million number is horse shit.

@Kasz
I will elaborate on what I mean by my statement on your wall. I don't disagree with any of what you said, but it certainly doesn't relate to my opinion.



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Icyedge said:

I hope for you, because if its as you claim, your neighbor, schoolmates and/or colleagues can have a credit card under your name pretty easily, let alone all of your family and friends.


As Kasz said, it can and does happen. The problem is what can you spend the money on without getting caught? Anything you buy can be traced back to you as an individual eventually so the ability to get away with the crime is extremely limited.



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