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Seihyouken said:
Darth Tigris said:

Overall risk to consumers is FAR greater for this than RRoD.  Possibly replacing a sub-$400 console vs having your identity possibly stolen shouldn't even be a discussion.

Seriously, its a shame how even something like this turns into a fanboy war here.  The weight of this shouldn't be anymore minimized NOW than the weight of RRoD back then.  Both are horrible and neither paints the respective companies in a good light.  Most importantly, both affect customers in a bad way.  

So don't be offended if people jump all over this incident.  It's well deserved.

Well when people such as yourself go around blowing things out of proportion suggesting that it's possible identity theft could be a direct result of the intrusion it's no surprise that people freak out. A name, address, and telephone number don't make an identity. That's facebook biography crap. The only danger people are of having their identities stolen are if they are phished through their mail/phone and tricked into supplying their entire social security number. Needless to say anybody stupid enough to fall for that has no right holding Sony liable. The much more real worry, though equally unlikely problem, is credit card fraud. There's nothing to suggest that the encripted credit card and debit card numbers supplied to Sony had been compromised though Sony can't acertain for certain that they hadn't. Basically there is a 50% chance that not a single person's credit card number was stolen and based on the fact that there don't appear to be a string of reports suggesting that they were, I'm betting they weren't compromised.
But just for argument's sake let's say that credit card information was leaked. I'm not sure about other countries but in America people are protected against fraud on their credit cards and for 30 days after recieving their financial report on debit cards. So even in the unlikely worse case scenerio, it would take a grossly neglegent person to even stand to lose any actual money.

It's crazy how people are making a mountain out of a anthill. Comparing this to the losses Microsoft incurred from the RRoD defect is also silly. That problem cost Microsoft over a billion dollars. Even with the lost revenue from the week without PSN, this situation almost certainly won't cost Sony even a tenth of that.

Ok, I'm just going to say this one thing and then I'll leave you be:  minimizing the potential of this breach of customer information is a sign that you value Sony's reputation more than customers.  Your other posts also show that you are a strong Sony loyalist.  The reality that you cannot step away from that persona and recognize the reality of how dangerous this situation COULD end up being devalues any argument that you put forth.

Just like RRoD, who cares how it affects Microsoft or Sony.  They're multibillion dollar corporations that can take care of themselves.  I'm talking about how it affects CUSTOMERS, who are completely innocent victims, ESPECIALLY in this case.  As someone that knows multiple people that have been affected seriously by credit card information being stolen, it ain't pretty.  Most importantly, as relating to the subject of this thread, it sure is a lot worse than having to replace a console ...



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why are people overreacting to this its only an outage i mean are u gonna sue ur electic company if there is a blackout ?

u wouldnt so let Sony handle this I have 100% faith in them to resolve this problem 



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DestroyraX said:

why are people overreacting to this its only an outage i mean are u gonna sue ur electic company if there is a blackout ?

u wouldnt so let Sony handle this I have 100% faith in them to resolve this problem 

Most definitley if there is negligence or fraud. Remember Enron?



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This has to be the biggest disaster in gaming imo, RROD isnt as bad as this. fair enough the system was hacked, but peoples details can now be used for fraud, etc, so this is a lot bigger than that. and this is a PR nightmare, unbelievable on so many levels.



Grimes said:
DestroyraX said:

why are people overreacting to this its only an outage i mean are u gonna sue ur electic company if there is a blackout ?

u wouldnt so let Sony handle this I have 100% faith in them to resolve this problem 

Most definitley if there is negligence or fraud. Remember Enron?


I was about to say the Enron.....just Enron!



 

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The PSN problems are worse than RROD in my opinion. I switched to PS3 back in 2008 because of RROD issues and have been using my 360 mostly as a dvd player in the bedroom since. Now I'm going back to Live and don't expect to be back on PSN. I have reported my visa check card as hot, because of the possibility that sony isnt disclosing all of the truth. I expect a lot of trouble with PSN in the future because of more hacking, and I think the rebuilding will cause games to have problems till they are patched, and some games will probably have problems forever.



Acevil said:
Grimes said:
DestroyraX said:

why are people overreacting to this its only an outage i mean are u gonna sue ur electic company if there is a blackout ?

u wouldnt so let Sony handle this I have 100% faith in them to resolve this problem 

Most definitley if there is negligence or fraud. Remember Enron?


I was about to say the Enron.....just Enron!


how is this case in any way similar to Enron?



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yes for all but not the new slim because they have less chance 1 year protection for the slim



                          

BenVTrigger said:
ethomaz said:
Nsanity said:
kingofwale said:
Lyrikalstylez said:

Seems like this little malfunction is gonna cost Sony alot of money to fix, not to mention the lawsuites and bad publicity PSN is recieving. I hate to say it but this Reminds me of the red ring of death for 360.....How much did Ms lose because of that little disaster?

 

TOUGH LUCK SONY, HOPE YOU GET BACK ON YOUR FEET


would you consider leading console sales ytd as something that requires "get back on your feet'?

 

if that's the case, what is Wii and xbox doing right now? crawling?

 

 

PSN is free, now if I had paid fees to access it like the xbox outage during Christmas, i would be mad. However, how mad can you be for something that is giving free??

PS3 aint exactly leading by mile now is it?

This year? Yeap... 600k... or more than 20%.

You are aware that in terms of sales over a year 600k is litteraly nothing right.......

the systems are going to sell more than that in a single week during the holidays.  Sony is very very very far from having this year secured in terms of consoles sales.

I'm not saying sony have this in the bag or anything of the sort BUT 600k lead is in '4' months. Not over a year. Unless the PSN fiasco turns it around and puts other home consoles in the front ps3 will keep building its lead before holidays. Then price cuts etc can make things go either way.



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M.U.G.E.N said:
Acevil said:
Grimes said:
DestroyraX said:

why are people overreacting to this its only an outage i mean are u gonna sue ur electic company if there is a blackout ?

u wouldnt so let Sony handle this I have 100% faith in them to resolve this problem 

Most definitley if there is negligence or fraud. Remember Enron?


I was about to say the Enron.....just Enron!


how is this case in any way similar to Enron?


His example basically in a nutshell described what Enron did. Not that this case is similar.