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What people blaming Geohotz and the "hackers" seem to be missing...

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Gnizmo said:


No they didn't tell them when the data appeared to be compromised. They informed the users when they knew the data was compromised. Sony knew there was a security breach the first day they took the PSN down. Given how drastic a step that is it also says they new the potential seriousness of the breach. That is when they should have told users to cancel cards, change passwords, and monitor credit. They should not have waited a week just to confirm what was taken.

As to negligence, well we will have to see. It could be that any company given the security would have little reason to also encrypt, plus or minus one major hole. It could have been the PS3 being trusted so heavily that opened up the personal data which would be negligence. It could be some guy managed to get private info on a higher up and guess his password through social engineering in which case their security system would hold no fault in this (people are dumb after all). Taking the PSN down still makes me lean at PS3 related, but I again add the caveat that there is no concrete evidence I can back this up with.

@iamaprettyhotguy
So now you are saying Sony is lying to make themselves look worse? Seriously? I try not to pose questions like this to banned users as it seem bad form, but that has me stunned. You seriously think Sony is lying about something that makes the company look bad?

Your logic does make sense, its possible that it is the case, theres other valid logic though. So, Ill let the judge decide whether Sony knew or not and lets not forget, if it was likely enough to justify telling your customer before getting the confirmation.

 

Agreed completely.



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Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
Gnizmo said:
 


I can name a thousand companies right now that are doing better. They haven't been hacked or had significant portions of data compromised. That automatically puts Sony behind them on the scale you are using. What gets me is everyone seems to assume these other companies got a pass on the same problem. You link news articles slamming the companies over the problem and yet tell people not to do the same with Sony? Why shouldn't they be held to the same standard? Sony also failed in one major one those other companies almost universally didn't. They told their users  the second it appeared the data could have been compromised. There is no excuse for sitting on that information for a week. None at all.

I damn near changed banks after an issue with a data leak that was far less serious. The only reason I stopped is they knew precisley who was potentially affected, informed me immediately and then took steps to make sure none of it came back to me. That is, any charges I contested would be instantly assumed fraudulent unless proven otherwise (not the status quo for debit cards by the by) and I would have no liability for anything potentially related to the mishap.


The big question in this case is does the other companies have thousands of hackers on their back :P. A company with the worst security ever, if they dont get attack, they arent going to leak any kind of informations.That doesnt automatically excuse Sony, an investigation is needed for sure.

Between, according to Sony, they did tell their users when it appear the data could have been compromised. An investigation is needed to determine whether they are lying or not. Personally, I dont understand why they wouldnt tell their users sooner if they knew sooner. But yeah its a possibility.

One issue may be... didn't they already lie?  They took down the servers because they were hacked... didn't they original say because of sporadic matinence or something like that?  (Or maybe i'm thinking of the anonomyous hack.)

Well, when you were trying to log on PSN it would say maintenance. But in their PR statement, they  said it was a maintenance due tu an intrusion and that they were also upgrading everything. With that said, I agree they should have been more explicative when it comes to the PSN message.

That raises the question... who reads PR messages.  I mean, another question is... did they even inform everybody?  The only reason I know is because of this website and online news.

Not everybody goes to videogame news sites... and Sony DOES have my email afterall.



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Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:

Well, when you were trying to log on PSN it would say maintenance. But in their PR statement, they  said it was a maintenance due tu an intrusion and that they were also upgrading everything. With that said, I agree they should have been more explicative when it comes to the PSN message.

That raises the question... who reads PR messages.  I mean, another question is... did they even inform everybody?  The only reason I know is because of this website and online news.

Not everybody goes to videogame news sites... and Sony DOES have my email afterall.


I received and e-mail the 26, not you? I agree that not many reads PR messages, so yeah I think they should make it clearer in their PSN notice when you try to log.



Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
 

Well, when you were trying to log on PSN it would say maintenance. But in their PR statement, they  said it was a maintenance due tu an intrusion and that they were also upgrading everything. With that said, I agree they should have been more explicative when it comes to the PSN message.

That raises the question... who reads PR messages.  I mean, another question is... did they even inform everybody?  The only reason I know is because of this website and online news.

Not everybody goes to videogame news sites... and Sony DOES have my email afterall.


I received and e-mail the 26, not you? I agree that not many reads PR messages, so yeah I think they should make it clearer in their PSN notice when you try to log.

Nope.

I went to check my email spam folder just in case... and amusingly, as if they had read this thread... I received an email... literally just now.  Wonder what was with the delay.



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I might be late in posting this, but to the OP. While I don't entirely disagree with you, your argument is weak. It's basically the equivalent of saying if I go out and shoot someone, it's mostly the law's fault and not my own because they didn't have enough safe barriers up to keep me from doing so.

I'm not saying that Sony didn't drop the ball, they obviously did. But this would have never been a problem if not for some amoral asshole hacker and I think my hatred is much more suited being towad him.




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imaprettyhotguy said:

You think all statements from Sony are facts lol


That statement right there makes it sound like you're defending Sony more than what Sony itself is doing.



fordy said:
imaprettyhotguy said:

You think all statements from Sony are facts lol


That statement right there makes it sound like you're defending Sony more than what Sony itself is doing.


Actually that statement right there makes it sound like he's attacking sony.  Which is funny when your only defense for why a company didn't screw up so bad is "They may be lieing".



Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:
Icyedge said:
 

Well, when you were trying to log on PSN it would say maintenance. But in their PR statement, they  said it was a maintenance due tu an intrusion and that they were also upgrading everything. With that said, I agree they should have been more explicative when it comes to the PSN message.

That raises the question... who reads PR messages.  I mean, another question is... did they even inform everybody?  The only reason I know is because of this website and online news.

Not everybody goes to videogame news sites... and Sony DOES have my email afterall.


I received and e-mail the 26, not you? I agree that not many reads PR messages, so yeah I think they should make it clearer in their PSN notice when you try to log.

Nope.

I went to check my email spam folder just in case... and amusingly, as if they had read this thread... I received an email... literally just now.  Wonder what was with the delay.


LOL, such irony, its amusing. I think they said somewhere it was a long process to send the e-mails to all the account, maybe it explain the delay.



Icyedge said:
Kasz216 said:

Nope.

I went to check my email spam folder just in case... and amusingly, as if they had read this thread... I received an email... literally just now.  Wonder what was with the delay.


LOL, such irony, its amusing. I think they said somewhere it was a long process to send the e-mails to all the account, maybe it explain the delay.

They need to hire a spammer to handle their email queues.