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badgenome on 26 April 2011
Jdevil3 said:

To think this all started with some Custom Firmware...

Who would've thought CFW would result into PSN data being compromised? :P

Who would've thought that Sony would go to war against hackers without taking measures against being hacked?

(Anyone who is familiar with Sony, of course.)



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imaprettyhotguy on 26 April 2011
rocketpig said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
rocketpig said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
rocketpig said:

Is that this security breach was a server-side flaw. "Hacking" a PS3 shouldn't give anyone access to critical PSN information any more than hacking a computer or install of Firefox would give you access to Amazon's customer database.

The tools to defend against this type of attack have been available for years. I can build a secure e-commerce store in a matter of hours and get it locked down to prevent this type of information breach using off-the-shelf software. Why can't Sony do the same on their PROPRIETARY system?

No matter whether you think Sony was in the right over the Geohotz fiasco, they royally screwed the pooch on this one.

And that is no one's fault but their own. They deserve every bit of bad press they're going to get over this.

Can you do it on a massive amount of worldwide servers that were built half a decade ago? Didn't think so, and I'm pretty sure whoever got into psn could easily get past whatever defences you can make 

Well, I certainly hope Sony has more than one person manning their security department.

It takes time to do it on a massive network like this, and you have to take it down to do it, so basically if Sony did upgrade it earlier it would have been taken down anyways, and people would be complaining about them taking it down for no reason, and there haven't been problems till recently so there wasn't a real need, so yeah, and cheaters and pirates are abundant on live, so they aren't any better I just don't get what you want, actually I do you want to eat your cake and have it too, and that just can't happen 

If the security hole wasn't there, they wouldn't have to take down the network at all. Ever heard of cloud servers? They're built just for this kind of work. Scale up, offload repairs, shut down part of the network, and upgrade, rotate to the next batch of servers. Networks do it all the time and the end user is never the wiser.

Every secrurity system has flaws, and the longer ago it was built the easier it is to break into, and again there wasn't any issues until recently and there are probably a dozen other issues that neither of us are even qualified to speculate about why that wasn't an option for Sony, so stop your whinning 



vlad321 on 26 April 2011
Vetteman94 said:

While I dont blame the hackers for this crap, although someone obviously got into Sony's servers and took some information.  I am not going to blame Geohot and all those other morons for this.

But what i dont get is placing the blame squarely on Sony for this. Sure there security wasnt the greatest and should have been better for the PSN servers.  But they werent the ones who broke into it and took information.   It would be like blaming a bank for a robbery that happened on a their vault that wasnt completely secure and ignoring the robbers who actually did it. Just because it wasnt completely secure doesnt make it right that they did this. In the end its still the fault of the hacker who broke into the PSN service and took information that wasnt his.

The second lecture in Information Security they beat into a student's ignorant head that "IF THEY GET A HOLD OF HARDWARE, ASSUME IT IS HACKED." Sony dared to hope and dream that the PS3 will not be hacked, and proceeded to plan around that. I am sorry, but if a corporation doesn't follow what a stupid junior in college has been taught, then they deserve all the blame plus an extra 50 lashing for sheer idiocy.
 



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Darc Requiem on 26 April 2011

I'm dumbfounded by Sony's ineptitude. I can't believe PSN has been down or near a week. What the hell kind of security do they have? I'm glad Portal 2 gives access to the PC and Mac versions of the game.



Kudistos Megistos on 26 April 2011
imaprettyhotguy said:

Every secrurity system has flaws

That's not true! Every security system not designed by Steve Jobs has flaws! Apple products are 100% safe! The overweight PC man said so in a commercial!



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rocketpig on 26 April 2011
Darc Requiem said:

I'm dumbfounded by Sony's ineptitude. I can't believe PSN has been down or near a week. What the hell kind of security do they have? I'm glad Portal 2 gives access to the PC and Mac versions of the game.

That only works if you had time to get on PSN and log into Steam to unlock the Mac/PC code.

Guess who has two thumbs and didn't get to do that before the outage?

THIS GUY!




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rocketpig on 26 April 2011
Kudistos Megistos said:
imaprettyhotguy said:

Every secrurity system has flaws

That's not true! Every security system not designed by Steve Jobs has flaws! Apple products are 100% safe! The overweight PC man said so in a commercial!

Apple circumvents piracy by not allowing their customers to touch anything with an Apple logo.




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Darc Requiem on 26 April 2011
badgenome said:
Jdevil3 said:

To think this all started with some Custom Firmware...

Who would've thought CFW would result into PSN data being compromised? :P

Who would've thought that Sony would go to war against hackers without taking measures against being hacked?

(Anyone who is familiar with Sony, of course.)

Funny post that is unfortunately true. Karma bites back hard. As Sony has found out.



Jdevil3 on 26 April 2011
vlad321 said:

These are the same people who had the idea of using a rootkit as DRM for music. Imagine that meeting:

-We need a way to not get our CDs copied

-Let's use this software, though it basically acts as malware and leaves a gaping hole in a person's system

-Should be fine let's roll it out

 

Given what they pulled with that a few years ago, this scenario is actually kind of hilarious.


Knowing Sony, they probably didn't even know their CDs would leave gaping holes in someone's PC. LOL



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Darc Requiem on 26 April 2011
rocketpig said:
Darc Requiem said:

I'm dumbfounded by Sony's ineptitude. I can't believe PSN has been down or near a week. What the hell kind of security do they have? I'm glad Portal 2 gives access to the PC and Mac versions of the game.

That only works if you had time to get on PSN and log into Steam to unlock the Mac/PC code.

Guess who has two thumbs and didn't get to do that before the outage?

THIS GUY!

Ouch....sorry to hear that man.