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Immortal said:
pizzahut451 said:
Immortal said:

Well, nowdays, people become atheists - they usually aren't born to atheist parents. That probably makes them very defensive of what they've done. For example, if I were born Japanese, I may not be really touchy about being Japanese, yet if I changed my nationality to Japanese, I'd constantly go around telling people what a great thing I've done and how awesome Japan is so that I'd feel comfortable. Or, if I'd been born to Chinese parents initially, I might start insulting China so that it would look like I did the right thing becoming Japanese. In the same way, a lot of atheists probably feel like defending their beliefs, or lack thereof. For this, a lot of them go around bashing religions. This doesn't apply to ethnicity and stuff since they, under normal circumstances, can't be changed.


So, basiclly...immaturity?

No, it's completely unfair, offensive (and, ultimately, hypocritical) to put it that way. I'd say it's a natural human instinct. It's true that people can easily control it and should learn to respect others' beliefs, but it's not as if you or I are any different or in a position to criticize. Right now, you're calling atheists immature. You're bashing their beliefs. Why? Because you have to go through a lot of crap from atheists on here. The same way, atheists probably have to go through a lot of crap in their home/community for being atheists and naturally feel contempt and bash religion. It's like a horrible never ending circle.


That wasnt my point. You see how you automaticlly go into defensive position because you feel I attacked you, when you completly missed my point? It only further proves my point I made in another thread earlier. The point is, I am not calling them immature, I am calling the behaviour you described as immature.



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vlad321 said:
RCTjunkie said:
vlad321 said:

Religion gets bashed every time it can come around because there are still many, MANY places in the US which will gladly pass laws and provisions based on the belief in what was written in one fairy tale book or another.

Edit: Instead of practically and logic.


Calling these books "Fairy tales" and implying their lack of logic proves my point further.


Well I mean, in ALL of my talks, civilised talks, with religioous and non-religious people, no one has been able to tell me how the Bible, Qoran, other religious texts, are somehow different than fairies, unicorns, King Arthur, Robin Hood, etc. I can in fact make a stronger argument for dragons' existance specifically than any given god, or gods, that human kind has ever dreamed of.

You are now taking offense to a very simple, true, fact. Maybe you should accept the fallacies in your beliefs and still embrace them, over taking offense at simple truths.


How are they in any way the same?



pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
RCTjunkie said:
vlad321 said:

Religion gets bashed every time it can come around because there are still many, MANY places in the US which will gladly pass laws and provisions based on the belief in what was written in one fairy tale book or another.

Edit: Instead of practically and logic.


Calling these books "Fairy tales" and implying their lack of logic proves my point further.


Well I mean, in ALL of my talks, civilised talks, with religioous and non-religious people, no one has been able to tell me how the Bible, Qoran, other religious texts, are somehow different than fairies, unicorns, King Arthur, Robin Hood, etc. I can in fact make a stronger argument for dragons' existance specifically than any given god, or gods, that human kind has ever dreamed of.

You are now taking offense to a very simple, true, fact. Maybe you should accept the fallacies in your beliefs and still embrace them, over taking offense at simple truths.


How are they in any way the same?

They are illogical construction of people's minds to explain the world, given validity solely because they were written down and the fact that there is an X amount of people who believe in it. I would love for you to tell me how Robin Hood is different than the Qoran or the Bible.



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what god? There is no god. Religion is just something people invented along time ago,to make them fell better about there life's. 



Rath said:
ProdigyBam said:

You will never hear such things about muslims, only about christians, because people are not afraid to bash a religion that is about love and peace. Many people hate their culture and everything what is included in that culture, such as religion, its the case here in germany among many people, most of them are left-winged, but they wont ever demonstrate against islamists or the political islam, altough that belief is very violent, just because it comes from somewhere else and people here only have the courage to bash everything that belongs to their own culture, even if it is good, but if you bash something from somewhere else, youre a racist. Like I said, thats only the case among many young people here in germany, I dont know if its the same case somewhere else.


Bahaha no. There are political organisations in the west that call for Islam to be banned, people burning Quarans etc. Islam, due to the attacks by radical Muslims, is extremely vilified in the west at the moment.

Generally you'll see on this board more atheists debating with Christians (and as such against Christian beliefs) because there are more Christians on these boards. In reality most atheists I know don't care what religion the person belongs to but what their beliefs within that religion are, for example most atheists find young earth creationist beliefs more silly than those who believe the Big Bang theory.

One pastor burns a Quran, and every government in the Western world gets on his case to stop. He gets a personal call from President Obama. He gets several death threats. The British government remarks that they would arrest him for it. A riot in Afghanistan kills several UN workers.

If I were to go outside right now and burn a Bible, would any of that happen? Indeed, when thousands of people burn Bibles at demonstrations in the Middle East, does any of that happen? No. Their right to free speech is defended.

It's exactly for that reason that people are turning against Islam to a much greater extent than they are turning against Christianity. Because when Islam is concerned, free speech is thrown out of the window. The one place it still exists is online, really. At least on this site, I've seen far more criticisms of Islam than Christianity, although the majority of their beliefs are the same.



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vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
RCTjunkie said:
vlad321 said:

Religion gets bashed every time it can come around because there are still many, MANY places in the US which will gladly pass laws and provisions based on the belief in what was written in one fairy tale book or another.

Edit: Instead of practically and logic.


Calling these books "Fairy tales" and implying their lack of logic proves my point further.


Well I mean, in ALL of my talks, civilised talks, with religioous and non-religious people, no one has been able to tell me how the Bible, Qoran, other religious texts, are somehow different than fairies, unicorns, King Arthur, Robin Hood, etc. I can in fact make a stronger argument for dragons' existance specifically than any given god, or gods, that human kind has ever dreamed of.

You are now taking offense to a very simple, true, fact. Maybe you should accept the fallacies in your beliefs and still embrace them, over taking offense at simple truths.


How are they in any way the same?

They are illogical construction of people's minds to explain the world, given validity solely because they were written down and the fact that there is an X amount of people who believe in it. I would love for you to tell me how Robin Hood is different than the Qoran or the Bible.

well, I cant speak for other religous books, but the New Testament (the Bible) isnt anything like that.



Are you kidding? Do you not remember a thread recently about the survival of the white race in which the OP railed against black people and hispanics? It was here last week and I was very surprised nobody did anything about it.

Christians are the majority (at least in the US they are) and are not discriminated against in much any way. You're just being over sensitive.



vlad321 said:

Actually that's the thing. I don't believe in anything unless it has been observed. The simple fact is that in the grand scheme of things, if you go all the way back to the big bang, anything has absolutely 0 probability of ever happening. Furthermore, witout having any informatino from before the big bang, absolutely anything could have happened. Without any evidence, there is absolutely 0 chance that it is like anything anyone has ever come up with. So just out of pure statistics, all religions that have ever existed, and will exist that aren't based on some information, are just wrong.

It could be that there is one being, it could be that it is a race of beings. It could be that there never was a being to begin with. It could literally be an infinite amount of combinations of things, some of which we can't even be able to comprehend. That is what I believe. Go ahead and equate it to the existance of Pokemon, because I think I might be entertained by you trying.

P.S. Good quote. I will need to remind myself that I should equate religions to Pokemon. Not many of the people in the newer generation even know about fairy tales, but Pokemon is almost ubiquitous.

 

OT: I would also liek to point out that for centuries Christians used to demean, even kill, people for not believing. Yet the moment they come under attack "Oh no our poor feelings are hurt, stop it." Just an observation. I think religious people just need to man up, what they are going through is not even 1/1000th what others went through when a given religion was widely believed. There are also still places where people are demeaned and killed due to religious reasons.

 

Edit: I forgot to mention, you were very demeaning and sconrful towards people who do believe in fairy tales.


Bweh, fine. I thought you'd give something easier. I can more or less accept that as true though I just skimmed it. I was pretty much going to use that to something to the same effect to say that anything is just about as true as anything else.

Going back, I'd like to ask, solely for the purpose of discussion, why exactly you value stuff that has been observed. And, I'd like to add, whose reliable observations would you trust and why those observations prove anything.

As for your on-topic comment, I think everyone knows how rotten Christianity has been over the ages. But you have to see that that has dropped tremendously since (I'd presume the Renaissance when everything went secular, but I'm not sure). Also, the Christians who are offended easily are rarely the same ones who went around (or go around) killing people for their beliefs. It's completely unfair to judge one Christian by the acts of another, yet I've noticed that people seem to judge all religious people by the acts of some Christians in the past. A lot of religions have little to no blood on their hands.

As for your final edit, I indeed am, but there's some practicality to it. Whilst it's certainly not ideal, like it or not, you have to respect religions more simply because there are more people to be offended. If you're in a minority like those who believe in fairy tales, you'll have to suffer somewhat.

It's the same logic as only having a males and females bathroom. I bet it offends people who are classified as neither, but it's simply impractical to waste my time building a third one when so few people would use it.



 

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pizzahut451 said:


That wasnt my point. You see how you automaticlly go into defensive position because you feel I attacked you, when you completly missed my point? It only further proves my point I made in another thread earlier. The point is, I am not calling them immature, I am calling the behaviour you described as immature.


Defensive? Dude, I'm not atheist - how would I be offended? Besides, I called that the behaviour of a lot of atheists and you called it immature. By one of the divine laws of the universe that we have learned to accept as common sense without any form of proof, if a = b and b = c, then a = c.

That is, unless you were disagreeing with me in the first place about a lot of atheists' behaviour. If so, you didn't make that clear at all, and, since you quoted me without any objection to that, I naturally presumed that was agreed.



 

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