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axt113 said:
HappySqurriel said:
axt113 said:
HappySqurriel said:
axt113 said:

Yes the GCN was powerful, but when it came down to the Wii, they were not able to stay in the graphics arms race while still offering an affordable system, so there is a good chance they will end up not delivering a high power system this time


It isn't that they "couldn't" provide a more powerful system, it was that they choose not to ...

Hypothetically speaking, Nintendo could have easily paired up a PowerPC 970MP @ 2.0 GHz with a Radeon X600/X800 and sold it for $300 without taking a large loss; and the system would have potentially been very small and energy efficient as well.

Why they didn't do this is something only Nintendo knows, but I suspect it was because they were uncertain of the success of the Wii and didn't want to expend the hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D and licencing fees to make it happen.


$300 wouldn't have been as market friendly as they were looking for, and they probably couldn't have done it while having a pack in game at the $300 price point.

The unknown success of the Wii was a potential possibility for their decisions, but that still involves releasing the system at a market friendly price to make its chance of success greater


Why?

The per-unit price of packed in software is almost nothing, with how well the Wii sold initially I highly doubt $50 would have been a deal-breaker, and the hardware I'm suggesting is very similar to what Apple used in their Mac Mini which was small, energy efficient, (reasonably) inexpensive, and sold at Apple's insanely high margins.


Yes, but we get back to what Nintendo percieved as market friendly at the time, they didn't see $300 or $350 as an acceptable price (and after seeing the slow start of the 3DS, its very likely they will be hesitant to make the next home console too expensive), so for them to pack in a lot of power and risk exceeding that market price was not something they wanted then, and will likely not be something they want in the future.

Sure the pack in game was negligible cost, but as we saw in Japan, they decided to sell it seperately, indicting, they valued it at $50 in the US bundle


We could go round and round in circles debating what Nintendo could have potentially decided to do in 2006, but I think it is fair to say that you've already conceded my main point that Nintendo decided not to produce a powerful system for business reasons; potentially because of the risk of facing new stronger competition in the handheld space, and Nintendo’s repeated disappointments in the home console market.

Being that the DS is the most successful gaming system ever, the Wii is Nintendo's most successful home console ever, and Nintendo has very little to (really) fear from the NGP at this point in time, the risks Nintendo faces today are dramatically different than what they faced in 2004-2006; and Nintendo's strategy will probably reflect that. Nintendo has moved from being in a position where the risk was they could no longer be a hardware manufacturer to a position where the risk is that they won't expand their marketshare; and the likely solution to this risk is to try to make a bolder, more interesting product to as wide of a group as possible.



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I get the feeling that Ninty is gonna do something that will piss a lotta techies off and use 2007 tech; that won't be much better than the PS3.

The console's gonna be $300 and get a crazy profit margin; 3rd parties still won't support it- they'll find another excuse to abandon it. After 15 years of giving ninty the cold console shoulder, what are the odds of it changing?

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Play4Fun said:

You somehow seem to have this notion that you know what's best for Nintendo better than they do.

Nintendo knows what they're doing, I'm pretty sure they're smarter than you are.

I can't say for sure what is the best thing for NIntendo to do, but I know what is the wrong thing to do. Like trying to be liked by everyone who in the current direction Nintendo is taking are third parties and the gaming media. What little they gain is more than offset by what they are going to lose and Nintendo's goal should be growth, not decline.

If Nintendo were flawless, then they wouldn't have put out three consoles in a row that sold less than their respective predecessor. There's enough of a history to study what went wrong and it's in Nintendo's best interest to not make the same mistakes again.



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axt113 said:

The rumors of the next Nintendo system sound too much like a graphics whore fanboy wet dream to be believed, Nintendo abandoning the Wiimote for a tradictional controller with a screen?  Going with Blu-ray?  More powerful than the PS3 and 360?

 

Seriously, it sounds way too much  like a bunch of graphic whore fanboys got together and just spouted out their craziest ideas.


ps3 and 360 are 5 years old, its easy to have a console that is more powerfull as tech always improves, so theres no doubt nintendos console will be more powerful if they are to take back core crowd. what is worrying what happens to the wii i bought it on launch and theres words going around of a replacement, just that point makes ps3 and 360 better investments in hindsight



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Play4Fun said:

You somehow seem to have this notion that you know what's best for Nintendo better than they do.

Nintendo knows what they're doing, I'm pretty sure they're smarter than you are.

I can't say for sure what is the best thing for NIntendo to do, but I know what is the wrong thing to do. Like trying to be liked by everyone who in the current direction Nintendo is taking are third parties and the gaming media. What little they gain is more than offset by what they are going to lose and Nintendo's goal should be growth, not decline.

If Nintendo were flawless, then they wouldn't have put out three consoles in a row that sold less than their respective predecessor. There's enough of a history to study what went wrong and it's in Nintendo's best interest to not make the same mistakes again.

It's a two-track thing. We can't underestimate the fact that Sony swooped in and started a new era of third party dominance as undermining the N64, but also that Nintendo got trapped in parallel thinking with the rest of the industry, or at least bound enough to parallel thinking that they couldn't really spread their wings and do what they needed to do.

While some advocate the position that it was the decline in quality of NIntendo's studios that produced N64 and GameCube sales, and the rebound that produced Wii sales, there is merit to courting third parties, certainly. Equally there is merit to courting the media in the short term, to play them as the hype machine they are. Pandering to the media is quite impossible in Nintendo's case without betraying their true values utterly, but they can string them along and get some positive buzz going.

The ground has shifted under the third parties, and once again they need the hardware makers more than the hardware makers need them, so long as hardware makers are willing to meet them halfway on tech specs. Nintendo can meet those tech specs handily enough now, and thus can lock third party parity

The question is if Nintendo can retain their Wii-level first-party dominance, and they can secure strongholds across the market.



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Mr Khan said:

It's a two-track thing. We can't underestimate the fact that Sony swooped in and started a new era of third party dominance as undermining the N64, but also that Nintendo got trapped in parallel thinking with the rest of the industry, or at least bound enough to parallel thinking that they couldn't really spread their wings and do what they needed to do.

While some advocate the position that it was the decline in quality of NIntendo's studios that produced N64 and GameCube sales, and the rebound that produced Wii sales, there is merit to courting third parties, certainly. Equally there is merit to courting the media in the short term, to play them as the hype machine they are. Pandering to the media is quite impossible in Nintendo's case without betraying their true values utterly, but they can string them along and get some positive buzz going.

The ground has shifted under the third parties, and once again they need the hardware makers more than the hardware makers need them, so long as hardware makers are willing to meet them halfway on tech specs. Nintendo can meet those tech specs handily enough now, and thus can lock third party parity

The question is if Nintendo can retain their Wii-level first-party dominance, and they can secure strongholds across the market.

Third party parity? Are you talking about PS3/360/Wii2 multiplatform games? That one is going to be shortlived and it still doesn't prevent sloppy ports for the Nintendo machine.

The best thing for Nintendo to do is to expand their own studios to the point that they can heavily support their systems beyond the initial push in the first couple of years. As long as Sony and Microsoft are around Nintendo can't rely on third parties to put up the slack.

The Wii is an incomplete disruption, because Nintendo didn't have the necessary resources to complete it on their own and due to the heavy opposition from third parties. Crushing Sony and Microsoft, that's really Nintendo's only option to gain good third party support for their home console. And for that they need to be able to do it all on their own.



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All those rumors are merely wishful thinking... in the end, the next Nintendo console will be radically different than this "hope for the hopeless" topic that keeps the Nintendo section on this site alive given that the Wii has no games coming out for it right now.

Lol, blu ray and HD 1080p screens on your controller. Come on, people. Somebody even made a saparate forum about that crap. Go there.



I believe them except for the controller, a controller like that with a built in screen would cost almost as much as the system itself, if not more so that will not happen. But Blu-Ray is a possibility and I think its pretty much a given that it will be more powerful than 5-6 year old consoles, it would be sad if it wasn't.



Yeah... Mini-DVD was a failed product they made their own.

Like I said.

How many Mini-DVDs do you see around?



Here's what I see. Nintendo's next console will obviously be at least as powerful as the HD twins cuz that tech is 5-6 years old now. i don't believe the controllers with the hd screens at all cuz that would make each controller cost at least $100 bucks and use up way too much battery.

Nintendo is either gonna go with a $250 console w/ a game included that has power equal to ps360 with vastly upgraded motion controls and also support a standard controller too. it will improve its online content to a reasonable level and start off its life by getting new advanced motion control games as well as ps360 ports. this however i think is a poor option cuz it would basically be an advanced motion control hd twin. and while cheap it would not stand up to the other two nextgen consoles when they would come out a year or two later, and nintendo would again miss out on the majority of multiplatform ports and 3rd party support.

i think we are getting to the point where graphics don't need to be anymore detailed than they are in the best ps3 games in terms of the # of polygons and the detail of the textures, however, there is still a lot of room for improvement in the dynamics of whats going on onscreen, such as physics stuff, special effects, "living-world" effects like believable vegetation, animation, AI, as well as more processing power to include more on screen not in detail but for example in war games you could include hundreds of soldiers on screen at once so entire battles could take place on screen, also just larger open environments.

But this is what i think is the most likely and most profitable thing to do:

So now that gamers are used to the high price point thanks to sony and microsoft, and with the nextgen nintendo system coming out a year or two before the other two, nintendo can bring out a new system noticeable more powerful than the HDtwins, say 10 times more powerful, and the games could have much more lush dynamic environments. all games would be 1080p. they could still get ports from ps360 games while having their own supply of more advanced games. this would shift more 3rd party support to nintendo than they are used to. and as said above they would have advanced motion controls, i see some combination of the kinect style camera recognition motion controls combined with advanced controller-based motion controls. ideally they will have figured out a way to make the two separate left and righthand motion controllers in a way so that you can connect them together and use them as a standard controller for the games that would work better with a standard controller and that way not also have to make people purchase standard controllers (i think this will be a big issue for next gen consoles cuz people are not gonna wanna spend $50 for each of two different kinds of controllers), although i have no idea how possible this is. as above they will finally get a good online setup. If they garner good 3rd party support and release big 1st party titles in the first 2 years before the other two nextgen consoles come out they will have a significant advantage. I'd see this Wii2 coming out at $350 and when the ps4 and xboxNext come out they could drop down to $300 while those two systems will probably release at $400 and they will continue to have an advantage.



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