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Erm...

The tech in the PS360 is around 6 years old now...

So if Nintendo were to get some 2 year old kit, which is dirt-cheap right now, then they'll be at least 3-4X more pwerful than the PS360.

A Blu-Ray drive seems likely, a lot cheaper now. 

I see there being a CCPro and the WiiMote, like currently. Don't expect motion to disappear.

And Nintendo will get the games online much better, and for free, unlike XBL.

With those features, big 1st party and 3rd party exclusives and a reasonable price (<$300) I can see this being even more successful than the wii. And we KNOW Nintendo will have something awesome up their sleeves as well...

I wouldn't say it's a fanboy rumour. If anything, the creator of the OP seems a little butt-hurt because of how awesome it all sounds. I say- Wait for E3



 

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Kasz216 said:
zarx said:
Kasz216 said:

Wii 2 going with Blu-ray does sound incredibly stupid.

I mean, Nintendo ALWAYS ends up making their own proprietary format for games because they don't want to pay royalties on it.  They usually buy a failed disc or something similar.

The rest i could see.

when have they used a failed disc, ever? 

GCN used a mini DVD bassed disc and Wii used a DVD bassed disc and before that they used carts, a Blu-ray bassed disc format doesn't seem unlikely at all. No one as far as I know has said it would play Blu-ray movies so they are not going to be paying sony anything by using their own formating on a disc that uses the same manufacturing process and a disc drive that uses a Blu diode nether of which Sony owns a stake in as far as I know and it would fit into their past trend of using the current disc tech (to lower costs) with their own format so as to avoid licensing costs...


I thought they bought the GCN mini DVD tech off someone.  While the Wii DVD disc was in fact the GCN technology put on a disc.


They commissioned Panasonic to create a a disc format for the NGC Panasonic used miniDVD as a base and added something called a burst cutting area

"Each Nintendo optical disc contains a burst cutting area (BCA) mark, a type of barcode that is written to the disc with a YAG laser. Another example of DVD-like media with BCA marks is the discontinued DIVX format.

A BCA mark is visible to the naked eye. It should not be confused with the IFPI mark that is on all optical discs. BCA is described in Annex K of the physical specification, and can be seen between radius 22.3±0.4 mm and 23.5±0.5 mm."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_optical_disc

to prevent the discs from being used in other systems and stop standard miniDVD discs being used to copy games in every other way it's an ordinary miniDVD. The Wii discs are just scaled up from that, there was even a Japanese Wii that had DVD playback capabilities and I belive there was some custom firmware that allowed DVD playback but I am not sure on that one. 

I would assume that they would do the same for their next console and Blu-ray is common enough now for it to make sense. 

scottie said:

People have been saying 'Blu Ray', not 'a Blu Ray based disc format'. People ARE saying that the Wii2 will be capable of playing Blu Ray movies, and that Nintendo will be forced to pay royalties, some fraction of which will go to Sony. You are correct that the latter is quite plausible (I personally think a HD-DVD format is also quite likely). 

I would assume that is because they don't have full access to the hard specs or aren't technically minded so they just know it has a Blu diode reader and the discs are just like standard Blu-rays etc. And it is possible that the early devkits have a standard Blu-ray player/discs because the custom format isn't ready yet. 

Could you link to reliable sites/sources that are reporting that it can play movies?

HD-DVD makes zero sense IMO they might as well just make their own format from scratch, the advantage of basing the format on an existing popular format is that you can use existing tech  and production to lower costs, HD-DVD is no longer produced so you don't get that advantage. 



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axt113 said:

Also its unlikely their next system will be bigger than Wii, if you notice they downscale rather than upscale the size of their home consoles, and Slim is still larger than Wii, so it won't be cheap to shove PS3 power into a Wii, or even smaller than Wii system.

 

As for Third parties coming to the system, if you believe that will happen, I have a bridge to sell you


It is much simpler than you think. PS3 and  360 still have old technology which is one reason they are big. Transforming old technology to smaller case is expensive. Even cheap laptops have a lot faster GPU, 10 times more RAM and many times even faster CPU. Now you can make console half the size of PS3 and still make it a lot faster.



axt113 said:
Linkasf said:


Who ever said that they wanted it to be ultra small like the Wii/ Ps2 slim?

Notice something?

Yes, the Wii don't have controller plug in the front



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zarx said:
Kasz216 said:
zarx said:
Kasz216 said:

 

 

scottie said:

 People have been saying 'Blu Ray', not 'a Blu Ray based disc format'

 

Could you link to reliable sites/sources that are reporting that it can play movies?

 

 

Apologies for the vague wording. By people, I am refering to VGChartz forum posters, not to news sites.



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axt113 said:
Play4Fun said:

It will be bigger.

Nintendo's next system is going to be bigger because it is going to do more.  People are fine with something GC size or a little bigger. Wii was small because it used GC tech several years old.


It can be the same size, or even smaller, while still doing more than the Wii, just not as much as some would want it to do, much like the Wii is smaller thanthe GCN yet does more, just not as much as many would have wanted it to do.

Saying that it will be bigger is speculation and wishful thinking than actual proof of its size and power, especially when the compnay trend has been in the opposite direction.

Wishful thinking? It's common sense. The Wii re-used GC tech, so it was smaller. It was basically a GC with motion controls. The next console isn't going to use Wii tech.

The box will have to be bigger. you obviuosly know nothing about hardware parts.



scottie said:
zarx said:
Kasz216 said:
zarx said:
Kasz216 said:

 

 

scottie said:

 People have been saying 'Blu Ray', not 'a Blu Ray based disc format'

 

Could you link to reliable sites/sources that are reporting that it can play movies?

 

 

Apologies for the vague wording. By people, I am refering to VGChartz forum posters, not to news sites.

Well they are obviously assuming things with no real evidence so that really doesn't have anything to do with the likelyhood of the Blu-ray rumours ...



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More processing power than PS3/Xbox360 sounds like a given at this point. At the end of 2012 I doubt any of the current gen consoles will sell for more than $250, probably $200. Heck, Microsoft is selling the 4GB Xbox360 at 199 bucks right now. Nintendo will be able to sell a system that is twice as powerful as the current gen consoles for $299 while still making a nice profit.

But why should they abandon the Wii remote? It's like Sony and Microsoft going back to Arcade Sticks. Motion control is standart now. They might include a classic controller in the package but the main controller will be an evolution of the Wii remote. I'm still hoping for a Kinect / Wiimote hybrid with new versions of Wii Sports, Nintendogs, Wario Ware and some Eyetoy-like minigames for launch. Couple that with a price point of $299 and both customers and third parties should be pleased.

If Nintendo plays their cards right they are in a great position for next gen. Sony and Microsoft won't be able to sell their console at huge losses this time. Nintendo's got the business model advantage and a one year headstart. They also built up a library of huge games with the "Wii" line.



RolStoppable said:
Mr Khan said:
SaviorX said:

In terms of the "rumored software" coming for the Wii2/N6 I think it is an influx of journalists merely trying to influence development teams to begin work on these projects, or at least bring it to their attention.

It is kind of like how IGN vehemently supported the notion that a Kid Icarus Wii was on the Wii. In that case they were half right; a KI game was being made but on the 3DS.

No company will confirm if they are working on such games, but who knows how much influence these rumors have. Journalists talking en masse was part of the reason Wii support was marred and abandoned in the first place.

Right. They figured they were able to sink the Wii with their malicious libel, they could derail Nintendo completely with a nice console that'll put them in the corner, in the normal console world, and nice and out of the way.

Journalists also act as stenographers for third parties and try push certain agendas which works as plausible context for SaviorX's last paragraph.

The real problem is that Nintendo seems to care for these things. While they were lighting up the hardware and software sales charts all around the world and raking in record profits, there was one thing that was missing: prestige. The reaction from the industry (of which gaming websites are a part of) wasn't praise or willingness to understand the how and why of Nintendo's success, but mockery and hostility. It's then when Nintendo started to change direction.

E3 2010 was good for Nintendo. They presented themselves the way the industry wants them to be: make your own little toys, but please leave the business to the big boys. The question is why does Nintendo care? Why can't they be content with selling video games to the masses and running a highly profitable business? Why is it important for them what the gaming industry thinks?

I guess it's because they are human after all. And humans are easily manipulated. After one single glorious generation Nintendo is already back with their Gamecube gameplan (look at the 3DS, it's only going to be worse regarding their next home console). They make their little toys and are drifting towards irrelevance. But at least they don't have to endure mockery for "selling out".


You somehow seem to have this notion that you know what's best for Nintendo better than they do.

Nintendo knows what they're doing, I'm pretty sure they're smarter than you are.



axt113 said:
HappySqurriel said:
axt113 said:
HappySqurriel said:
axt113 said:

Yes the GCN was powerful, but when it came down to the Wii, they were not able to stay in the graphics arms race while still offering an affordable system, so there is a good chance they will end up not delivering a high power system this time


It isn't that they "couldn't" provide a more powerful system, it was that they choose not to ...

Hypothetically speaking, Nintendo could have easily paired up a PowerPC 970MP @ 2.0 GHz with a Radeon X600/X800 and sold it for $300 without taking a large loss; and the system would have potentially been very small and energy efficient as well.

Why they didn't do this is something only Nintendo knows, but I suspect it was because they were uncertain of the success of the Wii and didn't want to expend the hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D and licencing fees to make it happen.


$300 wouldn't have been as market friendly as they were looking for, and they probably couldn't have done it while having a pack in game at the $300 price point.

The unknown success of the Wii was a potential possibility for their decisions, but that still involves releasing the system at a market friendly price to make its chance of success greater


Why?

The per-unit price of packed in software is almost nothing, with how well the Wii sold initially I highly doubt $50 would have been a deal-breaker, and the hardware I'm suggesting is very similar to what Apple used in their Mac Mini which was small, energy efficient, (reasonably) inexpensive, and sold at Apple's insanely high margins.


Yes, but we get back to what Nintendo percieved as market friendly at the time, they didn't see $300 or $350 as an acceptable price (and after seeing the slow start of the 3DS, its very likely they will be hesitant to make the next home console too expensive), so for them to pack in a lot of power and risk exceeding that market price was not something they wanted then, and will likely not be something they want in the future.

Sure the pack in game was negligible cost, but as we saw in Japan, they decided to sell it seperately, indicting, they valued it at $50 in the US bundle


We could go round and round in circles debating what Nintendo could have potentially decided to do in 2006, but I think it is fair to say that you've already conceded my main point that Nintendo decided not to produce a powerful system for business reasons; potentially because of the risk of facing new stronger competition in the handheld space, and Nintendo’s repeated disappointments in the home console market.

Being that the DS is the most successful gaming system ever, the Wii is Nintendo's most successful home console ever, and Nintendo has very little to (really) fear from the NGP at this point in time, the risks Nintendo faces today are dramatically different than what they faced in 2004-2006; and Nintendo's strategy will probably reflect that. Nintendo has moved from being in a position where the risk was they could no longer be a hardware manufacturer to a position where the risk is that they won't expand their marketshare; and the likely solution to this risk is to try to make a bolder, more interesting product to as wide of a group as possible.