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zgamer5 said:

if cod didnt have much competition it could beat mario. other then the dance/carnival games ninty games sell on the wii(im talking about 1 million and yes their are exceptions like mh), and whats the cream of the cream of ninty games? mario kart and 2d mario. yes other games release including platformers but donkey kong, kirby, and 3d mario areant going to really compete with 2d mario.

if their werent a shit load of games better then cod on the hd consoles they would sell much much more. 

You talk like there are no other games on Wii besides mario... of course mario has competition too, from Nintendo's own franchises that is

If what you are saying was true, then mario would be the top selling game on the console yet it isn't... There's Wii Sports, Wii Play, Mario Kart, WSR, and WiiFit in front of it, as well as other games that sold close to it. Claming mario has less competition on Wii is completely false and absurd given the evidence, especially since there are so many other great games of the same genre on the console you mentioned yourself



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miz1q2w3e said:
zgamer5 said:

if cod didnt have much competition it could beat mario. other then the dance/carnival games ninty games sell on the wii(im talking about 1 million and yes their are exceptions like mh), and whats the cream of the cream of ninty games? mario kart and 2d mario. yes other games release including platformers but donkey kong, kirby, and 3d mario areant going to really compete with 2d mario.

if their werent a shit load of games better then cod on the hd consoles they would sell much much more. 

You talk like there are no other games on Wii besides mario... of course mario has competition too, from Nintendo's own franchises that is

If what you are saying was true, then mario would be the top selling game on the console yet it isn't... There's Wii Sports, Wii Play, Mario Kart, WSR, and WiiFit in front of it, as well as other games that sold close to it. Claming mario has less competition on Wii is completely false and absurd given the evidence, especially since there are so many other great games of the same genre on the console you mentioned yourself

Wii Sports (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
41.28 3.76 31.35 76.39
2
Wii Play (Wii)
Nintendo, Other
14.63 2.92 10.60 28.15
3
Mario Kart Wii (Wii)
Nintendo, Racer
11.67 3.12 11.85 26.65
4
Wii Sports Resort (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
13.02 2.31 10.57 25.90
5
Wii Fit (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
9.60 3.60 9.52 22.71
6
New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii)
Nintendo, Platform
11.15 4.29 6.19 21.63
7
Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
8.46 2.30 8.01 18.78
8
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii)
Nintendo, Fighter
5.61 2.21 2.47 10.29
9
Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
Nintendo, Platform
4.88 1.19 3.32 9.39
10
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Wii)
Sega, Sports
2.73 0.66 4.33 7.72
11
Mario Party 8 (Wii)
Nintendo, Other
3.79 1.57 2.11 7.47

This is the top selling wii games. Mario is in almost all of them. 



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11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)

I bet Mario Modern war could out sell the hole industry

xDDD

To think 3rd party companys are spending billions in devlopment cost to pump out crazy graphic's games only to get there ass's handed to them by games that take a considerbly less time to make, and a hole lot less money in the end.

No wonder 3rd party hate Nintendo so much.. They must be so frustrated. 

I kinda feel bad for them now after seeing that.



miz1q2w3e said:
Munkeh111 said:
miz1q2w3e said:

CoD sells like 20mil (say 10 mil per console) right now - If a CoD-like game sold 20-30 mil on all three consoles then it would be 10mil per console whereas Mario would sell something like 20-25mil, thus remaining king of the console

No, Activision would sell 20-25m copies of the game, thus remaining king. If a CoD sized franchise sold 20-25m on one console it would win. Mario maybe to the king of exclusive console games, but not the king of console games

If a game sold that much on a single console it wouldn't be a CoD sized franchise, it'd be a mario sized one

But yeah, I get what you're trying to say, but let me say this: An exlusive selling over 20mil is much more impressive than a multiplat selling about the same amount, wouldn't you agree?


Not really, from the publshers perspective it is probably the same, especially as CoD has a higher price than Mario



Munkeh111 said:
miz1q2w3e said:
Munkeh111 said:

1) I agree with that mostly EXCEPT, it is fewer games not less. And just because that is how it is now, doesn't mean it is going to stay like that. Somebody could come up with a CoD popular game for the Wii, Mario won't be king for ever

2) Well possibly, but I think the 3rd parties should have enough confidence in their own games to compete, they definitely can't JUST rely on themselves to make all the games for the Wii

If if someone happened to make a game/series that had CoD-like popularity for a Nintendo console, it wouldn't outsell a 2D mario game on it. Look at CoD's single platform sales VS mario's single platform sales (around 10mil VS over 20mil)

It would take something much much bigger than CoD for that

But I do agree that having 3rd party support is better than not having it (who in their right mind would argue otherwise??) and there are massively successful 3rd party games out there

No, why look at CoD's single platform sales? That makes no sense, and remember, CoD games have sold about 20m for the last 4 years

No, they haven't, and why are you guys even discussing Mario vs. COD?



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okr said:
Munkeh111 said:
miz1q2w3e said:
Munkeh111 said:

1) I agree with that mostly EXCEPT, it is fewer games not less. And just because that is how it is now, doesn't mean it is going to stay like that. Somebody could come up with a CoD popular game for the Wii, Mario won't be king for ever

2) Well possibly, but I think the 3rd parties should have enough confidence in their own games to compete, they definitely can't JUST rely on themselves to make all the games for the Wii

If if someone happened to make a game/series that had CoD-like popularity for a Nintendo console, it wouldn't outsell a 2D mario game on it. Look at CoD's single platform sales VS mario's single platform sales (around 10mil VS over 20mil)

It would take something much much bigger than CoD for that

But I do agree that having 3rd party support is better than not having it (who in their right mind would argue otherwise??) and there are massively successful 3rd party games out there

No, why look at CoD's single platform sales? That makes no sense, and remember, CoD games have sold about 20m for the last 4 years

No, they haven't, and why are you guys even discussing Mario vs. COD?

A big third party game

And the exact numbers aren't the point, though it is about 16m, 15m, 22m, 24m and couting



Munkeh111 said:
miz1q2w3e said:

If a game sold that much on a single console it wouldn't be a CoD sized franchise, it'd be a mario sized one

But yeah, I get what you're trying to say, but let me say this: An exlusive selling over 20mil is much more impressive than a multiplat selling about the same amount, wouldn't you agree?


Not really, from the publshers perspective it is probably the same, especially as CoD has a higher price than Mario

Yeah, to a publisher it makes no difference, but who said anything about publishers?

When I said impressive, I meant to people like us, just gamers... Don't you think that a 20mil exclusive is more impressive than a 20mil multiplat?



miz1q2w3e said:
Munkeh111 said:
miz1q2w3e said:

If a game sold that much on a single console it wouldn't be a CoD sized franchise, it'd be a mario sized one

But yeah, I get what you're trying to say, but let me say this: An exlusive selling over 20mil is much more impressive than a multiplat selling about the same amount, wouldn't you agree?


Not really, from the publshers perspective it is probably the same, especially as CoD has a higher price than Mario

Yeah, to a publisher it makes no difference, but who said anything about publishers?

When I said impressive, I meant to people like us, just gamers... Don't you think that a 20mil exclusive is more impressive than a 20mil multiplat?

Not really, the PS360 install base is similar to the Wii install base



miz1q2w3e said:
zgamer5 said:

if cod didnt have much competition it could beat mario. other then the dance/carnival games ninty games sell on the wii(im talking about 1 million and yes their are exceptions like mh), and whats the cream of the cream of ninty games? mario kart and 2d mario. yes other games release including platformers but donkey kong, kirby, and 3d mario areant going to really compete with 2d mario.

if their werent a shit load of games better then cod on the hd consoles they would sell much much more. 

You talk like there are no other games on Wii besides mario... of course mario has competition too, from Nintendo's own franchises that is

If what you are saying was true, then mario would be the top selling game on the console yet it isn't... There's Wii Sports, Wii Play, Mario Kart, WSR, and WiiFit in front of it, as well as other games that sold close to it. Claming mario has less competition on Wii is completely false and absurd given the evidence, especially since there are so many other great games of the same genre on the console you mentioned yourself


how many 2d platformers are better then mario on the wii? some people would say donkey kong but thats it.

how many fps's are better then the latest cod game? i can list 4 games, and with recent releases that number will grow.

yes their are wii fit, wii play, mario kart, and all those other nintendo first party games, but cod is in competition with all the fps's that released that year, or after its release, it has competition with other games from difrrent genres(because many people play multiple genres), and it also has compeition with other cod games limiting its legs.

 



Being in 3rd place never felt so good

Are we really comparing CoD to Mario?

 

When CoD can sell 25 million units on 2 seperate consoles and in 2 seperate spin off's 25 years AFTER the first CoD was relased, give me a call.



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