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kowenicki said:

I like how the two features removed utterly obliterate the features you list as added (most of which should have been there at the outset)...

cool.


I find it funny that your name has nicki in, which is also a girls name....did you know that?

see i can be immature and not post productivly, oh wait i have to end with something sarcastic now

cool.



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See I cheer on Anonymous, mostly because they are shaking the corporate and government ladders. As the Joker said in Dark Knight... "Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I’m an agent of chaos. Oh and you know the thing about chaos, it’s fair."



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Raze said:

See I cheer on Anonymous, mostly because they are shaking the corporate and government ladders. As the Joker said in Dark Knight... "Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I’m an agent of chaos. Oh and you know the thing about chaos, it’s fair."



It's not "fair" when it ruins the fun for the bystander who just wants to be left in peace.



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DonFerrari said:
Th3Mist3rN3farious said:

This is officially the worst researched thread I have ever had the misfortune to endure. Im not even a member of this site, nor do I own a PS3 and have registered purely to write a reply to this ridiculus outlook you appear to be labouring over.

1. I know plenty of people who used otherOS before it was removed. That fact that you didnt use it makes it your opinion that 'people are complaining over nothing', not a certifiable fact. What is a fact is that many people paid $800 as you so rightly quoted for a machine with 'otherOS' and were not offered any type of compensation when the feature was removed. Even so, this isnt the main reason for all this hurlyburly.

2. The main reason for the response from anonymous is that Geohot placed a video on youtube and on his own site showing his ps3 hack. Sony then filed civil case requesting that the IP address of ANYONE who viewed either the youtube video or the site be supoened FROM YOUTUBE and Geohots host. Thats ANYONE who may have stumbled upon the video or been redirected to it or anyother method innocent members of the public come across youtube videos. UNBELIEVABLY the court agreed ad thus over 10,000 IP addresses were passed over for further investigation. Thats a MASSIVE INVASION of peoples right to privacy online. Thats the reason for the anonymous involvement, nothing else.

3. You said 'anonymous' has done nothing of note other than DDoS'ing which anybody can do. How about when they broke into HBGary a $2 million governmental private security firm after it falsely claimed it had pentrated its members, releasing 60,000 emails outlining how the company was using illegal methods to obtain finances and information, a crime they are currently explaining under congressional commitee. How about when they broke into the Bank of America releasing emails outlining how it has been deleting account details from their systems for no reason after requests from external insurance agencies. The list goes on.....and on......and on.....

I am not a member of anonymous, merely a sympathiser. I also sympathise with you guys because its the gamer who is getting the short end of the stick in all of this. The point however still remains that there is always going to be a 'geohot' trying to hack any electronic device released and the way to deal with this is not by using your corporate power to pull data on thousands of individuals from the internet, the vast majority of which have done absolutely nothing wrong. Who knows, you have a ps3, maybe you looked at the video out of curiosity and are now being investigated by sony . . . . .


You are even less informed... PS3 costed 800 to make, they were never retailed at that price... they were 600... go troll elsewhere.

And constitution don't grant you a "freedom of speech online for anything"... you may have a freedom of speech independent than the Media, but you are also liable for what you say - and this is what Sony is trying there.

About the IP that would be invasion of privacy, but as Sony got it legally in court then no one can sue then or say they done anything illegal - no matter how much you don't like it - even more because the use is restrict to prove jurisdiction not hack your account - as some hackers would do (not all sure).

And about don't letting people see GeoHotz saying that isn't free of speech also, that is free acess to information (that isn't even a constitutional right)...

GeoHotz could curse Sony in 100 different languages and badmouth them on TV or newspaper and Sony couldn't - and probably wouldn't even try even more because they would gain publicity, maybe if they see harm to their pockets they may prosecute to compensation (and if GeoHotz were right about his complaint Sony that would need to pay legal expenses)... What he did isn't freedom of speech is breach of some laws.


Well done.

 

You basically show yourself as the typical corporate anus licker that most people here are

 

Vs

 

The person that actually gives a damn about the long term rights and privacy laws of the world.

 

Ignorance beyond all hope. Well done well done.



phinch1 said:
kowenicki said:

I like how the two features removed utterly obliterate the features you list as added (most of which should have been there at the outset)...

cool.


I find it funny that your name has nicki in, which is also a girls name....did you know that?

see i can be immature and not post productivly, oh wait i have to end with something sarcastic now

cool.

Except he had a valid point and you're just being silly :)



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Th3Mist3rN3farious said:
Jdevil3 said:
Th3Mist3rN3farious said:

Are you seriously suggesting that upon release a PS3 cost $800 to manufacture yet they were retailing them at $600? I used to work at the head office of the largest electronics consumer retailer in the UK and I can tell you something, everything you see as 'a great sale price' etc still has a profit margin in there. Thats the nature of business. Not only would Sony be losing $200 per unit on the manufacturing costs, they'd also be losing cash on inventory and logistical overheads.


And that's exactly what happened... They lost over 6 billion dollars because of selling PS3s for a loss for around 4 years, they've started earning money on each PS3 sold only recently thanks to taking features out and reducing production costs.

If thats the case then I'll glady hold up my hands and say on that specific point I was wrong. It only adds to the fact that Sony's recent corporate decisions seem to be leading them from bad to worse.

It also still leaves the fact that they abused their corporate power to invade the privacy of innocent individuals.

And might I add for all the people saying hacking is wrong and to the OP who actually posted 'Hacking the PS3 software is equivalent to hacking Windows software and I am pretty sure that is illegal' you might find this article of particular interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal


Whats that? Sony illegally rootkitting thousands of windows machines to track copyright USING LAME and VLC code which they werent legally permitted to use. Pot calling the kettle black if you ask me.


I think if we take into consideration that they started selling PS3s for $599 losing over $200 on each sale, bad commercials on TV, low sales, extremelly bad ports, having "no games" etc... and we look at the situation today in which they sell PS3s for $299 for a profit, have Kevin Buttler commercials, Higher week on week sales than those of the competence, not as many bad ports (they're still there :P), lots of exclusives, etc... they actually went from Bad to Better.

My knowledge about laws is very basic, I don't know if getting peoples IP addresses or the graf chokolo and geohot stuff are considered an abuse of corporate power, or if there's a penalty for that.... but if it's wrong and there's a penalty (being a fine or whatever), then whatever the penalty for this is must be applied, and the judge that allowed Sony to get the IP adresses should be fired or suspended for not doing his job right.

I don't know if "hacking" the firmware is legal or not... or if it's the same as pirating Windows, but if it's illegal and there's a penalty for that, then it should be applied.

I already heard of the rootkit thing a while back... I don't remember if there was some sort of penalty applied to Sony or not. If there wasn't one, then Sony should have payed for their illegal acts and justice didn't act right. If there was one and whatever the penalty was has already been "payed", then justice acted the right way and I suppose it's a closed case.

Sony doing something illegal doesn't make other people's illegal acts legal or justifies anything.

If someone does something illegal and there's a penalty, justice should determine what to do by the laws and act accordingly, and it should be the same for Sony, George Hotz, Graf Chokolo, you, me, or whoever does something illegal.

I'm not saying Sony/GeoHot/GrafChokolo is right or wrong... I'm just saying that justice will have the ultimate decision on who was right or wrong and must act accordingly and make whoever justice determines was wrong be punished for what they did (be it Sony, GeoHot, GrafChokolo or whoever else is involved).

 

I believe I can't be any more neutral and objective than this.



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Ajescent said:
Raze said:

See I cheer on Anonymous, mostly because they are shaking the corporate and government ladders. As the Joker said in Dark Knight... "Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I’m an agent of chaos. Oh and you know the thing about chaos, it’s fair."



It's not "fair" when it ruins the fun for the bystander who just wants to be left in peace.

Ah, but you're just part of the "message". =)



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Raze said:
Ajescent said:
Raze said:

See I cheer on Anonymous, mostly because they are shaking the corporate and government ladders. As the Joker said in Dark Knight... "Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I’m an agent of chaos. Oh and you know the thing about chaos, it’s fair."



It's not "fair" when it ruins the fun for the bystander who just wants to be left in peace.

Ah, but you're just part of the "message". =)

The message? So basically these guys want to force their will on the uninterested? exactly how does that make them different from those they are accusing?



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buglebum said:


Well done.

 

You basically show yourself as the typical corporate anus licker that most people here are

 

Vs

 

The person that actually gives a damn about the long term rights and privacy laws of the world.

 

Ignorance beyond all hope. Well done well done.

How are you still a poster? All you do is throw around insults and barely have any arguments worth reading. The original poster made several large mistakes in his argument, instead of pointing our or correcting those mistakes, you decided that insulting the person who took the time to right a decent response, was a much better course of action.

Stop being a child and try and show a little respect for the poster who seems to at least have a vocabulary that breaks out of the vulgar.



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Ajescent said:
Raze said:

See I cheer on Anonymous, mostly because they are shaking the corporate and government ladders. As the Joker said in Dark Knight... "Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I’m an agent of chaos. Oh and you know the thing about chaos, it’s fair."



It's not "fair" when it ruins the fun for the bystander who just wants to be left in peace.


Choas is rolling a pair of dice.  Order is rolling a pair of loaded dice.  The later is only going to seem "fair" if you own the dice, and I assure you that you do not.  Sony has done as much or more to ruin the fun of the innocent bystander as Anonymous has.  PSN was innaccessible for a couple days, rootkits posed a threat for months and would have continued to for years or decades if they weren't caught.



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