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Will Sony sticks its penis in the hornet's nest?

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Mr Khan said:
goforgold said:
ssj12 said:
goforgold said:
ssj12 said:
kitler53 said:
ssj12 said:
goforgold said:
 

your naivety and ignorance is astounding, yeah you fucking hope they won't go that far is more like it

eh, really I couldn't care either way. I expect them to just hack the PSN, drop prices, and maybe block the admins forcing the network division to have to hack their own service to change things back.

It will be an epic knockout punch either way. Just one will be a sucker punch that leads to the knockout, and the other will be a brutal punch straight to the nose with brass knuckles.

i'm quickly learning you are a very very scary person.  the posts i've seen you make lately really scare the hell out of me. 

I believe and support certain things, Freedom of Information, Civil Rights, and Freedom of Property are three. Sony is violating all three and should be stopped. And the justice system really can't be trusted as its easily bought out and unjust. Its the people who need to stand up for their rights.

what total bullshit, and what's worse is you actuallly believe this shit

What bullshit?

I have every right to modify the products I purchase.

Purchase does NOT mean OWN, you brought a ps3 but you didn't buy the software that runs the ps3, you had to sign a agreement in order to use the firmware, It's SONY'S firmware and they can do what ever the hell they want with it.

I have every right to read, disclose, and have access to information.

NO the FUCK you don't and if you really really think you do your even more naive and ignorant than I thought

I have every right to voice my opinion and take action over things I consider violations of my rights.

Yeah you do

that fucking bullshit

No, you do own the device and can modify it as you will, and your copy of the firmware that runs on it. You can't redistribute the firmware, but that's a different matter

Well, in the Geohotz lawsuit, sony is argueing it's all illegal.

 

Though  logically the above doesn't make sense.

I mean, you can jailbreak your Iphone, but your son can't jailbreak it for you.

How does that make sense in the least?

Isn't that just creating one set of rights for the technologically able and another set of rights for those who aren't?

Isn't that... and I hate to use the comparsion but it's the only legal precedent i can currently think of.  Isn't it basically a modern "Jim Crow" law?

You can only have a hacked Iphone, if you prove your technologically savy enough to make one?



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Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:

Time to bust out some good ol' Abe Lincoln for you guys. 

 

"Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither"


Except theres no sacrifice of liberty- I can still hack my ps3 if I want and do with it what I will


If Sony wins then your PS3 modding could be punishable by law. Even so little as putting a new casing on it.

Think about that for a moment.

 

Will they find out about a case mod? Probably not, but it is still the principle of the whole thing. You bought it, it is yours, end of story. Sony doesn't like you modding or hacking, then ban your PSN account.

Unless of course instead you want them to rightfully kill consoles. 

Just hope you don't end up as one of those "victims of the system" who do nothing wrong but somehow end up with an unfixable bricked console because guess what, it will happen.

as you said in the post above this one, "I think people are getting paranoid ..."

putting an option to install linux on the ps3 in the first place was the biggest olive branch in the world sony could have done to the hacker/homebrew community to let them run their custom code on a ps3.

but despite that they gave sony the finger anyways -- first with the other OS overflow bug then by deciphering the ps3's security key.  

hell, sony also lets you use a standard HDD to upgrade your system unlike the 360's proprietary drive.

sony doesn't give two-shits if you mod your consoles casing and it is ridiculous you'd even think they every will.  sony is trying to protect the billions of dollars in investment they've put into the ps3 and rightfully so.  



A group of individuals who believe that they are working for the people? Really now, thanks for alerting Sony and taking down my PSN. You guys are sooo awesome. Seriously, pat-yourself on the pack because...well..you guys are heroes. 

To be quite honest, what kind of dillusion (drugs?) are they in/using? And why hasn't an individual with say oh I don't know a supercomputer just go Ctrl Alt Delete on these guys? <--Like what I did there :D 



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I still cannot fathom how people are so angry with Sony over all of this.  Sony HAD to respond to what was going on.  On one side they had 3rd Party companies talking about how bad it was to the media (I remember reading an EA (I think it was) press release about how devastating the PS3 hacks could be) and on the otherhand you have very concerned Stock Holders.  They had to at least try. 

Most of their lawsuits are just plain Silly and really should never have been allowed in court, let alone ruled in their favor.  Once one suit was allowed, why not keep going?  If the court is "sympathetic" to large Corporation A, let us keep pressing our advantage.  Hell, Sony would have been STUPID not to do have pushed the envelope here.

The only thing Sony has done recently to me, that has really irked me, was the removal of Other OS.  This feature missing from the new Slims does not bother me, it is the removal from my Phat 60gig. 

The problem with people like Geo is not what they are doing, it is how people use what they have done.  There is nothing worse than running into Map Hackers in any multiplayer game. 

 

Be Angry at the US Court System, not at Sony.

Xen said:

Ssenkahdavic said:

I do not recommend that anyone sticks their penis into a hornet's nest.  This sounds painful.

I'd love to know what this post said before it was edited ;)

I posted it on your wall :)



kitler53 said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:

Time to bust out some good ol' Abe Lincoln for you guys. 

 

"Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither"


Except theres no sacrifice of liberty- I can still hack my ps3 if I want and do with it what I will


If Sony wins then your PS3 modding could be punishable by law. Even so little as putting a new casing on it.

Think about that for a moment.

 

Will they find out about a case mod? Probably not, but it is still the principle of the whole thing. You bought it, it is yours, end of story. Sony doesn't like you modding or hacking, then ban your PSN account.

Unless of course instead you want them to rightfully kill consoles. 

Just hope you don't end up as one of those "victims of the system" who do nothing wrong but somehow end up with an unfixable bricked console because guess what, it will happen.

as you said in the post above this one, "I think people are getting paranoid ..."

putting an option to install linux on the ps3 in the first place was the biggest olive branch in the world sony could have done to the hacker/homebrew community to let them run their custom code on a ps3.

but despite that they gave sony the finger anyways -- first with the other OS overflow bug then by deciphering the ps3's security key.  

hell, sony also lets you use a standard HDD to upgrade your system unlike the 360's proprietary drive.

sony doesn't give two-shits if you mod your consoles casing and it is ridiculous you'd even think they every will.  sony is trying to protect the billions of dollars in investment they've put into the ps3 and rightfully so.  

I wasn't saying that Sony would get anyone for modding their case, I was just giving an example of what a ruling like this one one could ultimately lead to, regardless of how extreme is may be.



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Some of you are defending these guys? their actions wont cause change and why defend something like that it makes you look like a follower who couldnt come up with his/her own solution cause you damn sure werent praising these lames before they took down the websites. and for those of you who say sony should work with these guys to fix the problem wtf we dont negotiate with terrorist lmao well americans dont.



hehey said:
kcoward said:

Is this a good or bad response towards the hackers? I think Sony would be better off apologising for taking off Other OS and hope the hackers feel sorry for them. Anon is to be taken seriously despite what people think. Sony is in for a very big loss. Judging by Anon's track record they always do what they set out to do.

You dont get anywhere by trying to appease terrorists.

By your logic, Sony's actions of muscling out it's smaller competition over the years is massive terrorism. Remember Bleem!? What about Lik-Sang? Do you give money towards these terrorist acts?

The only difference with this stuff is, corporations have the money to make their acts of terrorism legal.



kitler53 said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:

Time to bust out some good ol' Abe Lincoln for you guys. 

 

"Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither"


Except theres no sacrifice of liberty- I can still hack my ps3 if I want and do with it what I will


If Sony wins then your PS3 modding could be punishable by law. Even so little as putting a new casing on it.

Think about that for a moment.

 

Will they find out about a case mod? Probably not, but it is still the principle of the whole thing. You bought it, it is yours, end of story. Sony doesn't like you modding or hacking, then ban your PSN account.

Unless of course instead you want them to rightfully kill consoles. 

Just hope you don't end up as one of those "victims of the system" who do nothing wrong but somehow end up with an unfixable bricked console because guess what, it will happen.

as you said in the post above this one, "I think people are getting paranoid ..."

putting an option to install linux on the ps3 in the first place was the biggest olive branch in the world sony could have done to the hacker/homebrew community to let them run their custom code on a ps3.

but despite that they gave sony the finger anyways -- first with the other OS overflow bug then by deciphering the ps3's security key.  

hell, sony also lets you use a standard HDD to upgrade your system unlike the 360's proprietary drive.

sony doesn't give two-shits if you mod your consoles casing and it is ridiculous you'd even think they every will.  sony is trying to protect the billions of dollars in investment they've put into the ps3 and rightfully so.  

the otherOS feature also brought forth a massive amount of advancement in the medical field. So do not ignore that.

And deciphering the security key and hypervision was needed. Red Hat, Fedora, and several linux distros funded hacking competitions to try to discover how to improve linux on the PS3. Only way to do it was by bypassing hypervision because it locked out the use of the GPU. If Sony and Nvidia would have just given linux distros the drivers to the RSX there would never have been a reason to try to bypass the hypervision and security.

Sony starting retract the OtherOS function after GPU code was being released so that more advanced visuals could be used by linux distros.



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Ssenkahdavic said:

I still cannot fathom how people are so angry with Sony over all of this.  Sony HAD to respond to what was going on.  On one side they had 3rd Party companies talking about how bad it was to the media (I remember reading an EA (I think it was) press release about how devastating the PS3 hacks could be) and on the otherhand you have very concerned Stock Holders.  They had to at least try. 

Most of their lawsuits are just plain Silly and really should never have been allowed in court, let alone ruled in their favor.  Once one suit was allowed, why not keep going?  If the court is "sympathetic" to large Corporation A, let us keep pressing our advantage.  Hell, Sony would have been STUPID not to do have pushed the envelope here.

The only thing Sony has done recently to me, that has really irked me, was the removal of Other OS.  This feature missing from the new Slims does not bother me, it is the removal from my Phat 60gig. 

The problem with people like Geo is not what they are doing, it is how people use what they have done.  There is nothing worse than running into Map Hackers in any multiplayer game. 

 

Be Angry at the US Court System, not at Sony.

Xen said:

Ssenkahdavic said:

I do not recommend that anyone sticks their penis into a hornet's nest.  This sounds painful.

I'd love to know what this post said before it was edited ;)

I posted it on your wall :)

Sony had a range of responses at their disposal, they willfully chose the one to trample consumer rights. From that point on, they've lost all sympathy as a company just trying to defend their products, much like any violation of rights in the name of security should be frowned upon



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Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:

how much money do you think Sony is saving on removing other os? Fucking bucket loads I'd bet, I mean I'd wager they put the feature in JUST so they could remove it to save SOO much money, I mean it's not like they launched the damn ps3 for 250 dollars less than what it's worth, they have been profiting off of the ps3 this entire time, and removed other os.....just to fuck with people and of course save SOOO much fucking money, greedy bastards, who are they to modify shit THEY FUCKING OWN.

I could go forever.....and you still wouldn't get it -_-


You act as if getting angry makes your argument stronger.

Point is simple. You are supporting the lose of rights for security in online video games. I understand your argument just well, however I also know that company will continually create fixes to deal with future online issues.

However, you can't so easily create a fix for your lost rights.

 

Go ahead and think that I am the one not understanding things though. At least I know I am on my side and not on the side of corporation for the sole interest of my video games, which aren't going to suddenly vanish.

yeah like I said to another poster, you fucking HOPE is more like it.

Because benieth the bullshit you support you know as well as I that it takes just ONE of these fucking pieces of shit to find something big that can bring it all crumbling down, and they'll do it to because unlike the people at Sony who are heavily invested in this business these asshole aren't and couldn't care less. 

at least with Sony I know the only people that would get fucked over buy this are arrogant naive fucking assholes who will NEVER put in an eighth of the amount of investment Sony has in these products, where's gehots game console huh? where anno's online gaming network huh? these fuckers won't do shit in providing their own but they'll fuck everyone's else up though.

you think Sony is in this for the sole purpose of fucking over their consumer? that if Sony wins this they will do nothing but make products just to fuck over the people who buy them??? You do know without you the consumer there would be no Sony right?

fucking blows my mind this shit, people wouldn't fucking hesitate to post the massive losses Sony has occurred this gen, omg omg 5 plus billionz lost Sony are n teh RED!!! but when they make a decision to cut a feature to save cost which not only makes sense but makes PERFECT fucking sense it's OMG omg $ony are GREEDY, they cut features to line their own pockets.

what a fucking joke, I pity all of you in here supporting these assholes, who couldn't give two fucks about you, against the very company who MADE, invested, and LOST heavily in the very console your currently fucking playing. So they made a tough choice to cut a feature few were using to save on the mass money pit that is the ps3, boo fucking hoo, you people think Sony is making money off this?? probably hurt them more than you, (just look at what the ps3 was suppose to be and see what I mean).

anyway, the naivety and ignorance ASTOUNDS me in this thread.

Good luck to you sir on all your future endevours.

Let us just hope they do not revoke your right to curse left and right along the way.

because there IS someone who owns, spent RnD, produced, and distributed for profit the word FUCK....or any curse word for that matter....

anyway I'm done for now *goes back to GT5*


Do you understand the reprucussions of this case depending on who wins?

Do you understand that if George Hotz wins, you lose nothing? and gain a shitty hacked unsecured network open for cheating and pirates

Do you understand that if Sony wins, you lose rights? lose the right to NOT do what my ps3 was never meant to do, I will be real choked up, honest, there could tears

 

And you are astounded by my ignorance? no....now I'm amused in a sad, disappointed kind of way

Regardless of what you think or how much you yell, scream or curse at me, I am on your side. are you?

Unfortunately you sir, are not on your own side, but rather the side of the multi-billion dollar corporations who only care about the almighty dollar sign. They don't care about you. And that's why instead of going for a cheap crap upgrade of the ps2, they instead went over board engineering an incredible machine to provide the greatest gaming experience possible for their consumers *well that's me :)* losing over 5 billion dollars  in the process................ yup makes TONS of sense

Jesus dude, Sony cares more for you than these guys, and that's the truth, they wouldn't bother with gaming or any of their business at all if they didn't. You can get away with that multi-billion dollar corporation evil crap with like, bank firms, They are in the business of screwing people over and fucking up peoples lives, taking homes, debt etc. But Sony can't exist without their consumer.....how the hell can you NOT know this......