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Will Sony sticks its penis in the hornet's nest?

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leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:
leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:

Time to bust out some good ol' Abe Lincoln for you guys. 

 

"Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither"


Except theres no sacrifice of liberty- I can still hack my ps3 if I want and do with it what I will


If Sony wins then your PS3 modding could be punishable by law.

Are we talking about the Geohotz case? Because they are only going after him for distribution. 


Not true actually.  I'd suggest reading the charges against him.

 

http://www.groklaw.net/pdf2/SonyvHotz-1.pdf


Just read the nature of the action, they are complaining that they created and distrubted the hack. I don't see anything else.

Unlawful circumvention = what every person who uses his hack would be doing.

The two are lumped together, so its unlikely hacking your ps3 would be charged without distribution. And even so, talk about unenforcable. 

So, your resposne to me showing that he was charged with it... is "He was charged with it, but it's the same lawsuit so it doesn't count."

That's like saying is charged with both Murder and attempted murder, if it wasn't for the murder, there is no proof he'd be charged for attempted murder.

Aside from which, all that matters is that they claim it's illegal.

Whether or not they'd ever enforce it or not, I'd look at the RIIA.

They sue individual share holders all the time for piracy, heck even small time pirates.

It's actually easy money for them, and they have the lawyers on retainer anyway.

 

You just sue individuals, and the indivudals can't fight back since they don't have the resources, and basically instantly settle.

And if they don't, the lawyers stretch out the lawsuit until you do settle... because you don't have the money of a huge corporation.

No I'm saying you have to do the two in conjunction, hacking your system alone wouldn't be enough. 

If that was the case, Circumvention wouldn't be one of the charges.

Just distribution would be.



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Kasz216 said:
goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:
kcoward said:
Cunning_Linguist said:

What about my rights as a consumer to be able to use a service that fecktards with no jobs spend their lives trying to ruin. Fuck Anon! Fuck them in the arse until they get hemorrhoids that then burst and get infected and they need rectalplasties.

What about all the people that paid $600 to use Other OS on their system only for Sony to take out the feature for the sole purpose of their own greed?

their own greed, your joking right

 

*facepalm* because your not

There is a court case about Sony removing Linux to save costs on licensing and not because of security reasons, so no he isn't joking.

how much money do you think Sony is saving on removing other os? Fucking bucket loads I'd bet, I mean I'd wager they put the feature in JUST so they could remove it to save SOO much money, I mean it's not like they launched the damn ps3 for 250 dollars less than what it's worth, they have been profiting off of the ps3 this entire time, and removed other os.....just to fuck with people and of course save SOOO much fucking money, greedy bastards, who are they to modify shit THEY FUCKING OWN.

I could go forever.....and you still wouldn't get it -_-


You act as if getting angry makes your argument stronger.

Point is simple. You are supporting the lose of rights for security in online video games. I understand your argument just well, however I also know that company will continually create fixes to deal with future online issues.

However, you can't so easily create a fix for your lost rights.

 

Go ahead and think that I am the one not understanding things though. At least I know I am on my side and not on the side of corporation for the sole interest of my video games, which aren't going to suddenly vanish.

yeah like I said to another poster, you fucking HOPE is more like it.

Because benieth the bullshit you support you know as well as I that it takes just ONE of these fucking pieces of shit to find something big that can bring it all crumbling down, and they'll do it to because unlike the people at Sony who are heavily invested in this business these asshole aren't and couldn't care less. 

at least with Sony I know the only people that would get fucked over buy this are arrogant naive fucking assholes who will NEVER put in an eighth of the amount of investment Sony has in these products, where's gehots game console huh? where anno's online gaming network huh? these fuckers won't do shit in providing their own but they'll fuck everyone's else up though.

you think Sony is in this for the sole purpose of fucking over their consumer? that if Sony wins this they will do nothing but make products just to fuck over the people who buy them??? You do know without you the consumer there would be no Sony right?

fucking blows my mind this shit, people wouldn't fucking hesitate to post the massive losses Sony has occurred this gen, omg omg 5 plus billionz lost Sony are n teh RED!!! but when they make a decision to cut a feature to save cost which not only makes sense but makes PERFECT fucking sense it's OMG omg $ony are GREEDY, they cut features to line their own pockets.

what a fucking joke, I pity all of you in here supporting these assholes, who couldn't give two fucks about you, against the very company who MADE, invested, and LOST heavily in the very console your currently fucking playing. So they made a tough choice to cut a feature few were using to save on the mass money pit that is the ps3, boo fucking hoo, you people think Sony is making money off this?? probably hurt them more than you, (just look at what the ps3 was suppose to be and see what I mean).

anyway, the naivety and ignorance ASTOUNDS me in this thread.

Yes... because hacking on the PS3 is going to destroy all gaming....

Just like it did on the PC, Wii, PS3, Gamecube, DS....

basically every other system known to man.

 

I could go forever.....and you still wouldn't get it -_-

point to me where I said that *facepalm*



goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:

how much money do you think Sony is saving on removing other os? Fucking bucket loads I'd bet, I mean I'd wager they put the feature in JUST so they could remove it to save SOO much money, I mean it's not like they launched the damn ps3 for 250 dollars less than what it's worth, they have been profiting off of the ps3 this entire time, and removed other os.....just to fuck with people and of course save SOOO much fucking money, greedy bastards, who are they to modify shit THEY FUCKING OWN.

I could go forever.....and you still wouldn't get it -_-


You act as if getting angry makes your argument stronger.

Point is simple. You are supporting the lose of rights for security in online video games. I understand your argument just well, however I also know that company will continually create fixes to deal with future online issues.

However, you can't so easily create a fix for your lost rights.

 

Go ahead and think that I am the one not understanding things though. At least I know I am on my side and not on the side of corporation for the sole interest of my video games, which aren't going to suddenly vanish.

yeah like I said to another poster, you fucking HOPE is more like it.

Because benieth the bullshit you support you know as well as I that it takes just ONE of these fucking pieces of shit to find something big that can bring it all crumbling down, and they'll do it to because unlike the people at Sony who are heavily invested in this business these asshole aren't and couldn't care less. 

at least with Sony I know the only people that would get fucked over buy this are arrogant naive fucking assholes who will NEVER put in an eighth of the amount of investment Sony has in these products, where's gehots game console huh? where anno's online gaming network huh? these fuckers won't do shit in providing their own but they'll fuck everyone's else up though.

you think Sony is in this for the sole purpose of fucking over their consumer? that if Sony wins this they will do nothing but make products just to fuck over the people who buy them??? You do know without you the consumer there would be no Sony right?

fucking blows my mind this shit, people wouldn't fucking hesitate to post the massive losses Sony has occurred this gen, omg omg 5 plus billionz lost Sony are n teh RED!!! but when they make a decision to cut a feature to save cost which not only makes sense but makes PERFECT fucking sense it's OMG omg $ony are GREEDY, they cut features to line their own pockets.

what a fucking joke, I pity all of you in here supporting these assholes, who couldn't give two fucks about you, against the very company who MADE, invested, and LOST heavily in the very console your currently fucking playing. So they made a tough choice to cut a feature few were using to save on the mass money pit that is the ps3, boo fucking hoo, you people think Sony is making money off this?? probably hurt them more than you, (just look at what the ps3 was suppose to be and see what I mean).

anyway, the naivety and ignorance ASTOUNDS me in this thread.

Good luck to you sir on all your future endevours.

Let us just hope they do not revoke your right to curse left and right along the way.



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Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:

So, your resposne to me showing that he was charged with it... is "He was charged with it, but it's the same lawsuit so it doesn't count."

That's like saying is charged with both Murder and attempted murder, if it wasn't for the murder, there is no proof he'd be charged for attempted murder.

Aside from which, all that matters is that they claim it's illegal.

Whether or not they'd ever enforce it or not, I'd look at the RIIA.

They sue individual share holders all the time for piracy, heck even small time pirates.

It's actually easy money for them, and they have the lawyers on retainer anyway.

 

You just sue individuals, and the indivudals can't fight back since they don't have the resources, and basically instantly settle.

And if they don't, the lawyers stretch out the lawsuit until you do settle... because you don't have the money of a huge corporation.

No I'm saying you have to do the two in conjunction, hacking your system alone wouldn't be enough. 

If that was the case, Circumvention wouldn't be one of the charges.

Just distribution would be.

Ya, I guess thats true



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Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:

how much money do you think Sony is saving on removing other os? Fucking bucket loads I'd bet, I mean I'd wager they put the feature in JUST so they could remove it to save SOO much money, I mean it's not like they launched the damn ps3 for 250 dollars less than what it's worth, they have been profiting off of the ps3 this entire time, and removed other os.....just to fuck with people and of course save SOOO much fucking money, greedy bastards, who are they to modify shit THEY FUCKING OWN.

I could go forever.....and you still wouldn't get it -_-


You act as if getting angry makes your argument stronger.

Point is simple. You are supporting the lose of rights for security in online video games. I understand your argument just well, however I also know that company will continually create fixes to deal with future online issues.

However, you can't so easily create a fix for your lost rights.

 

Go ahead and think that I am the one not understanding things though. At least I know I am on my side and not on the side of corporation for the sole interest of my video games, which aren't going to suddenly vanish.

yeah like I said to another poster, you fucking HOPE is more like it.

Because benieth the bullshit you support you know as well as I that it takes just ONE of these fucking pieces of shit to find something big that can bring it all crumbling down, and they'll do it to because unlike the people at Sony who are heavily invested in this business these asshole aren't and couldn't care less. 

at least with Sony I know the only people that would get fucked over buy this are arrogant naive fucking assholes who will NEVER put in an eighth of the amount of investment Sony has in these products, where's gehots game console huh? where anno's online gaming network huh? these fuckers won't do shit in providing their own but they'll fuck everyone's else up though.

you think Sony is in this for the sole purpose of fucking over their consumer? that if Sony wins this they will do nothing but make products just to fuck over the people who buy them??? You do know without you the consumer there would be no Sony right?

fucking blows my mind this shit, people wouldn't fucking hesitate to post the massive losses Sony has occurred this gen, omg omg 5 plus billionz lost Sony are n teh RED!!! but when they make a decision to cut a feature to save cost which not only makes sense but makes PERFECT fucking sense it's OMG omg $ony are GREEDY, they cut features to line their own pockets.

what a fucking joke, I pity all of you in here supporting these assholes, who couldn't give two fucks about you, against the very company who MADE, invested, and LOST heavily in the very console your currently fucking playing. So they made a tough choice to cut a feature few were using to save on the mass money pit that is the ps3, boo fucking hoo, you people think Sony is making money off this?? probably hurt them more than you, (just look at what the ps3 was suppose to be and see what I mean).

anyway, the naivety and ignorance ASTOUNDS me in this thread.

Good luck to you sir on all your future endevours.

Let us just hope they do not revoke your right to curse left and right along the way.

because there IS someone who owns, spent RnD, produced, and distributed for profit the word FUCK....or any curse word for that matter....

anyway I'm done for now *goes back to GT5*



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goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:

how much money do you think Sony is saving on removing other os? Fucking bucket loads I'd bet, I mean I'd wager they put the feature in JUST so they could remove it to save SOO much money, I mean it's not like they launched the damn ps3 for 250 dollars less than what it's worth, they have been profiting off of the ps3 this entire time, and removed other os.....just to fuck with people and of course save SOOO much fucking money, greedy bastards, who are they to modify shit THEY FUCKING OWN.

I could go forever.....and you still wouldn't get it -_-


You act as if getting angry makes your argument stronger.

Point is simple. You are supporting the lose of rights for security in online video games. I understand your argument just well, however I also know that company will continually create fixes to deal with future online issues.

However, you can't so easily create a fix for your lost rights.

 

Go ahead and think that I am the one not understanding things though. At least I know I am on my side and not on the side of corporation for the sole interest of my video games, which aren't going to suddenly vanish.

yeah like I said to another poster, you fucking HOPE is more like it.

Because benieth the bullshit you support you know as well as I that it takes just ONE of these fucking pieces of shit to find something big that can bring it all crumbling down, and they'll do it to because unlike the people at Sony who are heavily invested in this business these asshole aren't and couldn't care less. 

at least with Sony I know the only people that would get fucked over buy this are arrogant naive fucking assholes who will NEVER put in an eighth of the amount of investment Sony has in these products, where's gehots game console huh? where anno's online gaming network huh? these fuckers won't do shit in providing their own but they'll fuck everyone's else up though.

you think Sony is in this for the sole purpose of fucking over their consumer? that if Sony wins this they will do nothing but make products just to fuck over the people who buy them??? You do know without you the consumer there would be no Sony right?

fucking blows my mind this shit, people wouldn't fucking hesitate to post the massive losses Sony has occurred this gen, omg omg 5 plus billionz lost Sony are n teh RED!!! but when they make a decision to cut a feature to save cost which not only makes sense but makes PERFECT fucking sense it's OMG omg $ony are GREEDY, they cut features to line their own pockets.

what a fucking joke, I pity all of you in here supporting these assholes, who couldn't give two fucks about you, against the very company who MADE, invested, and LOST heavily in the very console your currently fucking playing. So they made a tough choice to cut a feature few were using to save on the mass money pit that is the ps3, boo fucking hoo, you people think Sony is making money off this?? probably hurt them more than you, (just look at what the ps3 was suppose to be and see what I mean).

anyway, the naivety and ignorance ASTOUNDS me in this thread.

Good luck to you sir on all your future endevours.

Let us just hope they do not revoke your right to curse left and right along the way.

because there IS someone who owns, spent RnD, produced, and distributed for profit the word FUCK....or any curse word for that matter....

anyway I'm done for now *goes back to GT5*


Do you understand the reprucussions of this case depending on who wins?

Do you understand that if George Hotz wins, you lose nothing?

Do you understand that if Sony wins, you lose rights?

 

And you are astounded by my ignorance? 

Regardless of what you think or how much you yell, scream or curse at me, I am on your side.

Unfortunately you sir, are not on your own side, but rather the side of the multi-billion dollar corporations who only care about the almighty dollar sign. They don't care about you.



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Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:

Good luck to you sir on all your future endevours.

Let us just hope they do not revoke your right to curse left and right along the way.

because there IS someone who owns, spent RnD, produced, and distributed for profit the word FUCK....or any curse word for that matter....

anyway I'm done for now *goes back to GT5*


Do you understand the reprucussions of this case depending on who wins?

Do you understand that if George Hotz wins, you lose nothing?

Do you understand that if Sony wins, you lose rights?

 

And you are astounded by my ignorance? 

Regardless of what you think or how much you yell, scream or curse at me, I am on your side.

Unfortunately you sir, are not on your own side, but rather the side of the multi-billion dollar corporations who only care about the almighty dollar sign. They don't care about you.

In fairness, nobody involved does. 



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goforgold said:
Kasz216 said:
goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:
kcoward said:
Cunning_Linguist said:

What about my rights as a consumer to be able to use a service that fecktards with no jobs spend their lives trying to ruin. Fuck Anon! Fuck them in the arse until they get hemorrhoids that then burst and get infected and they need rectalplasties.

What about all the people that paid $600 to use Other OS on their system only for Sony to take out the feature for the sole purpose of their own greed?

their own greed, your joking right

 

*facepalm* because your not

There is a court case about Sony removing Linux to save costs on licensing and not because of security reasons, so no he isn't joking.

how much money do you think Sony is saving on removing other os? Fucking bucket loads I'd bet, I mean I'd wager they put the feature in JUST so they could remove it to save SOO much money, I mean it's not like they launched the damn ps3 for 250 dollars less than what it's worth, they have been profiting off of the ps3 this entire time, and removed other os.....just to fuck with people and of course save SOOO much fucking money, greedy bastards, who are they to modify shit THEY FUCKING OWN.

I could go forever.....and you still wouldn't get it -_-


You act as if getting angry makes your argument stronger.

Point is simple. You are supporting the lose of rights for security in online video games. I understand your argument just well, however I also know that company will continually create fixes to deal with future online issues.

However, you can't so easily create a fix for your lost rights.

 

Go ahead and think that I am the one not understanding things though. At least I know I am on my side and not on the side of corporation for the sole interest of my video games, which aren't going to suddenly vanish.

yeah like I said to another poster, you fucking HOPE is more like it.

Because benieth the bullshit you support you know as well as I that it takes just ONE of these fucking pieces of shit to find something big that can bring it all crumbling down, and they'll do it to because unlike the people at Sony who are heavily invested in this business these asshole aren't and couldn't care less. 

at least with Sony I know the only people that would get fucked over buy this are arrogant naive fucking assholes who will NEVER put in an eighth of the amount of investment Sony has in these products, where's gehots game console huh? where anno's online gaming network huh? these fuckers won't do shit in providing their own but they'll fuck everyone's else up though.

you think Sony is in this for the sole purpose of fucking over their consumer? that if Sony wins this they will do nothing but make products just to fuck over the people who buy them??? You do know without you the consumer there would be no Sony right?

fucking blows my mind this shit, people wouldn't fucking hesitate to post the massive losses Sony has occurred this gen, omg omg 5 plus billionz lost Sony are n teh RED!!! but when they make a decision to cut a feature to save cost which not only makes sense but makes PERFECT fucking sense it's OMG omg $ony are GREEDY, they cut features to line their own pockets.

what a fucking joke, I pity all of you in here supporting these assholes, who couldn't give two fucks about you, against the very company who MADE, invested, and LOST heavily in the very console your currently fucking playing. So they made a tough choice to cut a feature few were using to save on the mass money pit that is the ps3, boo fucking hoo, you people think Sony is making money off this?? probably hurt them more than you, (just look at what the ps3 was suppose to be and see what I mean).

anyway, the naivety and ignorance ASTOUNDS me in this thread.

Yes... because hacking on the PS3 is going to destroy all gaming....

Just like it did on the PC, Wii, PS3, Gamecube, DS....

basically every other system known to man.

 

I could go forever.....and you still wouldn't get it -_-

point to me where I said that *facepalm*


You bolded "Videogames aren't going to vanish".

Which means you were responding to that.  And you said "More like you fucking HOPE".

 

Suggesting that it would destroy videogames, even though the PS3... the most "piracy safe" machine, actually is probably the worst when it comes to sales.



goforgold said:
ssj12 said:
goforgold said:
ssj12 said:
kitler53 said:
ssj12 said:
goforgold said:
 

your naivety and ignorance is astounding, yeah you fucking hope they won't go that far is more like it

eh, really I couldn't care either way. I expect them to just hack the PSN, drop prices, and maybe block the admins forcing the network division to have to hack their own service to change things back.

It will be an epic knockout punch either way. Just one will be a sucker punch that leads to the knockout, and the other will be a brutal punch straight to the nose with brass knuckles.

i'm quickly learning you are a very very scary person.  the posts i've seen you make lately really scare the hell out of me. 

I believe and support certain things, Freedom of Information, Civil Rights, and Freedom of Property are three. Sony is violating all three and should be stopped. And the justice system really can't be trusted as its easily bought out and unjust. Its the people who need to stand up for their rights.

what total bullshit, and what's worse is you actuallly believe this shit

What bullshit?

I have every right to modify the products I purchase.

Purchase does NOT mean OWN, you brought a ps3 but you didn't buy the software that runs the ps3, you had to sign a agreement in order to use the firmware, It's SONY'S firmware and they can do what ever the hell they want with it.

I have every right to read, disclose, and have access to information.

NO the FUCK you don't and if you really really think you do your even more naive and ignorant than I thought

I have every right to voice my opinion and take action over things I consider violations of my rights.

Yeah you do

that fucking bullshit

No, you do own the device and can modify it as you will, and your copy of the firmware that runs on it. You can't redistribute the firmware, but that's a different matter



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leatherhat said:
Euphoria14 said:
goforgold said:
Euphoria14 said:

Good luck to you sir on all your future endevours.

Let us just hope they do not revoke your right to curse left and right along the way.

because there IS someone who owns, spent RnD, produced, and distributed for profit the word FUCK....or any curse word for that matter....

anyway I'm done for now *goes back to GT5*


Do you understand the reprucussions of this case depending on who wins?

Do you understand that if George Hotz wins, you lose nothing?

Do you understand that if Sony wins, you lose rights?

 

And you are astounded by my ignorance? 

Regardless of what you think or how much you yell, scream or curse at me, I am on your side.

Unfortunately you sir, are not on your own side, but rather the side of the multi-billion dollar corporations who only care about the almighty dollar sign. They don't care about you.

In fairness, nobody involved does. 

You're right, but their side at least has the potential to help me in the end.



iPhone = Great gaming device. Don't agree? Who cares, because you're wrong.

Currently playing:

Final Fantasy VI (iOS), Final Fantasy: Record Keeper (iOS) & Dragon Quest V (iOS)     

    

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