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hehey said:
Euphoria14 said:

1) You should relax.

Also I absolutely agree with you that hackers bring us nothing, just look at the history of how PSP got majority of the features people enjoy, including Web Browsing, proper movie file support, internet radio, etc... 

2) People quickly label me as a piracy supporter because I support homebrew. Completely ignoring the fact that one =/= the other, no matter how hard you guys try to argue.

3) Also, just so you know, the PC probably doesn't care too much because it is actually growing.

Holy shit, imagine that!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/108123-PC-Game-Industry-Shows-Big-Growth-in-2010


1) PS3 needs none of tha, movie file support?, internet radio?, web browser?, have you ever heard of a computer?. People wanting web browsers is not worth the PS3's security and the potential for piracy taht comes from taht.

2) wherever there is homebrew piracy will follow, it doesnt matter who you support, if your side wins (homebrew) then piracy also wins, therefore as far as imconcerned yoyur on the pirates side (if your side wins the pirates win).

3) You haker guys should get one of those for your internet radio and leave the PS3 out of it.

As expected, you made false assumptions again and in no way rebutted my argument.

Good day to you sir.



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Euphoria14 said:
hehey said:
Euphoria14 said:

1) You should relax.

Also I absolutely agree with you that hackers bring us nothing, just look at the history of how PSP got majority of the features people enjoy, including Web Browsing, proper movie file support, internet radio, etc... 

2) People quickly label me as a piracy supporter because I support homebrew. Completely ignoring the fact that one =/= the other, no matter how hard you guys try to argue.

3) Also, just so you know, the PC probably doesn't care too much because it is actually growing.

Holy shit, imagine that!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/108123-PC-Game-Industry-Shows-Big-Growth-in-2010


1) PS3 needs none of tha, movie file support?, internet radio?, web browser?, have you ever heard of a computer?. People wanting web browsers is not worth the PS3's security and the potential for piracy taht comes from taht.

2) wherever there is homebrew piracy will follow, it doesnt matter who you support, if your side wins (homebrew) then piracy also wins, therefore as far as imconcerned yoyur on the pirates side (if your side wins the pirates win).

3) You haker guys should get one of those for your internet radio and leave the PS3 out of it.

As expected, you made false assumptions again and in no way rebutted my argument.

Good day to you sir.

100% fact. look at the PSP, all that "Internet web browsers" and "movie file support" and"internet radio" pale incomparison to the rampant piracy that it has to endure. And no, all taht crap that you can get a computer for is in no way worth all the negatives, the PSP DIS NOT NEEED ANY OF THIS (get a computer dude). 

You cannot have homebrew without piracy, if the hombrew gusy win then piracy also wins, 100% fact.

Its only a false assumption if you live in a fantasy world.



hehey said:
Euphoria14 said:
hehey said:
Euphoria14 said:

1) You should relax.

Also I absolutely agree with you that hackers bring us nothing, just look at the history of how PSP got majority of the features people enjoy, including Web Browsing, proper movie file support, internet radio, etc... 

2) People quickly label me as a piracy supporter because I support homebrew. Completely ignoring the fact that one =/= the other, no matter how hard you guys try to argue.

3) Also, just so you know, the PC probably doesn't care too much because it is actually growing.

Holy shit, imagine that!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/108123-PC-Game-Industry-Shows-Big-Growth-in-2010


1) PS3 needs none of tha, movie file support?, internet radio?, web browser?, have you ever heard of a computer?. People wanting web browsers is not worth the PS3's security and the potential for piracy taht comes from taht.

2) wherever there is homebrew piracy will follow, it doesnt matter who you support, if your side wins (homebrew) then piracy also wins, therefore as far as imconcerned yoyur on the pirates side (if your side wins the pirates win).

3) You haker guys should get one of those for your internet radio and leave the PS3 out of it.

As expected, you made false assumptions again and in no way rebutted my argument.

Good day to you sir.

100% fact. look at the PSP, all that "Internet web browsers" and "movie file support" and"internet radio" pale incomparison to the rampant piracy that it has to endure. And no, all taht crap that you can get a computer for is in no way worth all the negatives, the PSP DIS NOT NEEED ANY OF THIS (get a computer dude). 

You cannot have homebrew without piracy, if the hombrew gusy win then piracy also wins, 100% fact.

Its only a false assumption if you live in a fantasy world.

False assumption being that you say that because I support homebrew it in turn means I am on the side of piracy.

 

You clearly do not agree with me, so we should leave it at that. I will never be on the line of thinking that believes "You shouldn't have this because it could lead to this", because just about anything in life can lead to something very negative.

Also, the DS has just as much piracy problems as the PSP and it did fine.

Piracy wasn't it's problem. Tons of ports early on and lack of mass appeal in the west is what hurt it most. Let us also mention the fact that they charged an absurd $50 for a handheld game.

 

As for PSP not needing certain things because computers can do them, let me know to put my PC in my pocket and use those features on the go.

Smartphones found a use for them, why not handheld gaming systems? Simply because you think it isn't needed? That isn't exactly a solid basis for an argument. Sony wouldn't have later added those features into the official firmware if they did not feel it was warranted. They clearly saw that demand was there and they added them to keep up with the custom firmwares in hopes that it would prevent some users from modding their systems to get those features.

PSP alway had video playback, but it was some really ridiculous file type that was split into 2 parts. Users did not like it at all and enabled .avi support amongst other types. Sony then went ahead and added them.

 

 

Your argument that they were not needed holds no water. The consumers spoke, Sony listened and responded. Clearly they were needed.



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I still think homebrew is bad :(



assasist said:

I still think homebrew is bad :(


Other than the fact that homebrew could potentially lead to piracy, what is bad about it?



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Euphoria14 said:
KylieDog said:
Euphoria14 said:

@Kyliedog

That means what? Do you know that most movie torrents are .avi files?

I guess SONY should pull support for those file types too huh?


What a weak defence.  .avi is used for many things.  .mkv is used in piracy and pretty much only that.

How is it weak? Weak because you say it is used mainly for piracy in movies?

Does not negate the fact that .avi is as well, if not more so for the same purpose.

 

Also, like I said, PS3 having Media server enables access to it anyways.

 

Also .mkv wasn't originally made popular because of piracy, but because it enabled Anime fans to enter subtitles into their movies, as well as chapters, etc... much like a DVD.

I do not see how your argument for why it isn't enabled holds water. Yeah you claim that it is mostly for piracy, but then what is the reasoning for allowing Divx, Avi, etc...? If .mkv isn't allowed you think that stops the pirates?

Hell,  the PS3 even allows for .mp4 files dude. That shit is hella popular in the mobile scene for pirating.

 

To put it simply, you can make arguments for why .avi is useful and you can make argument for why .mkv is useful.

You can make arguments for why .mkv is bad and you can make arguments for why .avi is bad.

 

In other words, my defense wasn't weak. In fact, your argument is weak. If we take your point of view on most things then Sony should just disable the ability to playback all media types, especially .mp3 since it is used mainly for piracy. Has been since the early days of Napster.

No more custom soundtracks during some of our games. To me it would suck, but you know what, it would be great. Sony just going on fighting the good fight am I right?

 

Yeah just ignore what I posted.  .avi used for mostly legit things, and also piracy.  .mkv used for piracy and not much else.  There is a very obvious difference between them especially in questioning Sony not wanting to support files types.

 

Your anime example is terrible since the biggest need for subs added to anime is so people can watch pirated fansubs online.  Anime released here in most cases offers dual langauges with sub options.

 

But let us pretend to live in a fantasy world where the most common and obvious use for something isn't ever used.



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KylieDog said:
Euphoria14 said:
KylieDog said:
Euphoria14 said:

@Kyliedog

That means what? Do you know that most movie torrents are .avi files?

I guess SONY should pull support for those file types too huh?


What a weak defence.  .avi is used for many things.  .mkv is used in piracy and pretty much only that.

How is it weak? Weak because you say it is used mainly for piracy in movies?

Does not negate the fact that .avi is as well, if not more so for the same purpose.

 

Also, like I said, PS3 having Media server enables access to it anyways.

 

Also .mkv wasn't originally made popular because of piracy, but because it enabled Anime fans to enter subtitles into their movies, as well as chapters, etc... much like a DVD.

I do not see how your argument for why it isn't enabled holds water. Yeah you claim that it is mostly for piracy, but then what is the reasoning for allowing Divx, Avi, etc...? If .mkv isn't allowed you think that stops the pirates?

Hell,  the PS3 even allows for .mp4 files dude. That shit is hella popular in the mobile scene for pirating.

 

To put it simply, you can make arguments for why .avi is useful and you can make argument for why .mkv is useful.

You can make arguments for why .mkv is bad and you can make arguments for why .avi is bad.

 

In other words, my defense wasn't weak. In fact, your argument is weak. If we take your point of view on most things then Sony should just disable the ability to playback all media types, especially .mp3 since it is used mainly for piracy. Has been since the early days of Napster.

No more custom soundtracks during some of our games. To me it would suck, but you know what, it would be great. Sony just going on fighting the good fight am I right?

 

Yeah just ignore what I posted.  .avi used for mostly legit things, and also piracy.  .mkv used for piracy and not much else.  There is a very obvious difference between them especially in questioning Sony not wanting to support files types.

 

Your anime example is terrible since the biggest need for subs added to anime is so people can watch pirated fansubs online.  Anime released here in most cases offers dual langauges with sub options.

 

But let us pretend to live in a fantasy world where the most common and obvious use for something isn't ever used.


So why did Sony not support .avi originally?

Was it because at that time people used it more for pirating and then .mkv became popular and Sony no longer cared?

 

 

I doubt piracy is the reason for .mkv not being supported, however just keep going on and acting like my argument holds no truth. You still fail to answer to the fact that due to Media server the PS3 can play any form of media.



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Euphoria14 said:
assasist said:

I still think homebrew is bad :(


Other than the fact that homebrew could potentially lead to piracy, what is bad about it?

 
 
 

Homebrew revolves around piracy I think that's most peoples thought here. Your defending it so much so I'm guessing you've got a device or 2 with homebrew on it. If so can you trully say that you have no pirated games, emulator with ROMs etc if you don't then you're one of the very few. I know I do.

Online play is a huge thing these days and when putting homebrew (in the case of the PS3, at present at least) on your console takes away this which in turn....takes away the ability to play your mates on line.Takes away features like  online save storage backup and slightly reduces the games you can like SOCOM, MAG, Warhawk or any games that revolve around being online. 

One of the original pieces stated that it keeps sony from spying on you and using your info but I would be more scared ripping stuff off a site from a hacker! who does it for a living and of course can potentially lead to voidance of warranties.