By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Nintendo holding off till 2015, is that even possible?

Mr Khan on 24 March 2011
dharh said:
Mr Khan said:
dharh said:

Wii2 in 2015? Heck no.

Nintendo will release late 2012 for christmas possibly early 2013 if something forces them to. They will continue with short 5 year releases, so in 2017-2018 we get Wii3 (or whatever they name it).

X360 and PS3 will stabalize with Wii2, and wont release until at least a year after, possibly 2-3 years after Wii2. After all, if Wii2 does not offer anything _more_ than what the X360 and PS3 can offer what is the incentive? The X360 and PS3 will only seem outdated if the Wii2 does something new to truly enhance gameplay or beefs up already existing stuff (more processing power, better motion precision, etc).

We will see 2-3 Nintendo console release per 1-2 MS/SONY console release. Nintendo usually goes for short iterative style, where SONY/MS prefer a heavy hitter that lasts longer.

?

No?

Used to be generations were in-line with each other. Only now are people only speculating that Sony and Microsoft can last longer than the normal generation, and they bought that by tremendously overshooting the market in the first few years or so, but Nintendo products have traditionally had more longevity than Microsoft ones (the Xbox ditched quickly), and on-par with Sony on the console front.

Only Nintendo has maintained a single platform for ten years so far, and that was the competitionless Game Boy

MS is still too new, so frankly they have zero history whether they can maintain long console life considering their failure in the original XBOX.

However, there are a few reasons why I think there is a shift in strategy that makes SONY differ from Nintendo.

One, SONY has always intended for PS3 to last as long as PS2 at the very least. From PS2 release to PS3 release was a little over 6 years. While GC to Wii was a little over 5 years. I think this time SONY will go for 7 years, at least and as I said could go longer, between PS3 to PS4. Which would peg PS4 at 2013-2014. Whereas I think Wii will stick with 5 years, pegging it at 2011-2012.

The GC was at least comparably as powerful as PS2. It could compete very well control wise and power wise with both the PS2 and the XBOX. This is simply not the case with the Wii and PS3/X360.

You can argue that the controls made it competative, but I think simply that the two install bases (motion controls and non-motion controls) simply do not mix. Only us hard core who typically own multiple consoles every generation. Now PS3 and X360 have their own versions of motion controls, this alone suggests an extension of at least 2 years from now before either one of those two consoles are going to want to deflate sales.

So again I say, the Wii2 will compete half its life between PS3/X360 and the other half between (maybe the larger half) PS4/X720.

I wouldn't argue with that logic, but you made it sound like this was a historical trend, which it really isn't.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Around the Network
TheGameFather on 25 March 2011

All things considered, and I really do mean all things...

 

Yeah it could happen.   I would say 2014 is more likely personally.

 

 

The thing is Wii still has so much untapped potential when you add in Motion plus and the ballance board, possibly even another periferal at E3.  Sports Resort and Motion Plus were both huge successes, there is a strategic chance that the reason we haven`t seen any megaton advanced real motion game designs from Nintendo is that they`ve been saving them for a period like this when the competition is gaining momentum.

 

Makes more sense than upgrading the Wii.  Nintendo is a software dev first and thier games are still selling tens of millions of copies.  The only way it would make any sense is if Ninty has another piece of game changing hardware like the wiimote up thier sleeve that everyone on earth is going to want to buy...  Even then though theres no rush just yet and Nintendo is all about taking thier time.

 



Solid-Stark on 25 March 2011

I think the xbox 2015 report turned out a fake..anyway i expect it in 2012



e=mc^2

Gaming on: PS4 Pro, Switch, SNES Mini, Wii U, PC (i5-7400, GTX 1060)

Raze on 25 March 2011
Qays said:

I honestly don't understand what Nintendo hopes to achieve by launching a new, more powerful Wii. Core gamers aren't going to buy it because of how awful the first Wii's core library has been, and the blue ocean crowd isn't going to buy it because they don't care about graphics. The only people I can see buying it are the "Nintendo core"; the people who will buy a system just to access the newest iterations of Mario and Zelda - in other words, the people who bought the Gamecube. And that should be a terrifying thought for Nintendo.


You have to realize that the Wii's Library was lacking because it wasnt HD. If it was HD, all the multiplat HD games (PS3/360 games) would have been available on the Wii as well. So, with a HD Wii (though Im sure they'll go full on with a new technology next gen) would be competitive with the HD library. If done right, it would allow people to have all the 3rd party HD games that all the systems get, plus HD renditions of Nintendo franchises.

I will agree that the casuals will not go out and buy the next Nintendo system in droves like they did with the Wii, but for a different reason. The economic collapse puts video games as luxury items. No money= no luxury items. Until the economy is fixed and people are gainfully employed, the casual market will be very limited from here out.



The Carnival of Shadows - Folk Punk from Asbury Park, New Jersey

http://www.thecarnivalofshadows.com 


dharh on 25 March 2011
Mr Khan said:
dharh said:

MS is still too new, so frankly they have zero history whether they can maintain long console life considering their failure in the original XBOX.

However, there are a few reasons why I think there is a shift in strategy that makes SONY differ from Nintendo.

One, SONY has always intended for PS3 to last as long as PS2 at the very least. From PS2 release to PS3 release was a little over 6 years. While GC to Wii was a little over 5 years. I think this time SONY will go for 7 years, at least and as I said could go longer, between PS3 to PS4. Which would peg PS4 at 2013-2014. Whereas I think Wii will stick with 5 years, pegging it at 2011-2012.

The GC was at least comparably as powerful as PS2. It could compete very well control wise and power wise with both the PS2 and the XBOX. This is simply not the case with the Wii and PS3/X360.

You can argue that the controls made it competative, but I think simply that the two install bases (motion controls and non-motion controls) simply do not mix. Only us hard core who typically own multiple consoles every generation. Now PS3 and X360 have their own versions of motion controls, this alone suggests an extension of at least 2 years from now before either one of those two consoles are going to want to deflate sales.

So again I say, the Wii2 will compete half its life between PS3/X360 and the other half between (maybe the larger half) PS4/X720.

I wouldn't argue with that logic, but you made it sound like this was a historical trend, which it really isn't.

If im conservative with the trends this is what I see:

 

NES: july 15, 1983

SNES: Novermber 21, 1990 - 88 months

N64: June 23, 1996 - 67 months

GC: September 14, 2001 - 57 months

Wii: November 19, 2006 - 62 months

Wii2: Prediction - 65 months or May, 2012

 

PS1: december 3, 1994 - 

PS2: march 4, 2000 - 63 months

PS3: november 11, 2006 - 80 months

PS4: Prediction - 84 months or November, 2013



A warrior keeps death on the mind from the moment of their first breath to the moment of their last.
Around the Network
Mr Khan on 25 March 2011
dharh said:
Mr Khan said:
dharh said:

MS is still too new, so frankly they have zero history whether they can maintain long console life considering their failure in the original XBOX.

However, there are a few reasons why I think there is a shift in strategy that makes SONY differ from Nintendo.

One, SONY has always intended for PS3 to last as long as PS2 at the very least. From PS2 release to PS3 release was a little over 6 years. While GC to Wii was a little over 5 years. I think this time SONY will go for 7 years, at least and as I said could go longer, between PS3 to PS4. Which would peg PS4 at 2013-2014. Whereas I think Wii will stick with 5 years, pegging it at 2011-2012.

The GC was at least comparably as powerful as PS2. It could compete very well control wise and power wise with both the PS2 and the XBOX. This is simply not the case with the Wii and PS3/X360.

You can argue that the controls made it competative, but I think simply that the two install bases (motion controls and non-motion controls) simply do not mix. Only us hard core who typically own multiple consoles every generation. Now PS3 and X360 have their own versions of motion controls, this alone suggests an extension of at least 2 years from now before either one of those two consoles are going to want to deflate sales.

So again I say, the Wii2 will compete half its life between PS3/X360 and the other half between (maybe the larger half) PS4/X720.

I wouldn't argue with that logic, but you made it sound like this was a historical trend, which it really isn't.

If im conservative with the trends this is what I see:

 

 

NES: july 15, 1983

SNES: Novermber 21, 1990 - 88 months

N64: June 23, 1996 - 67 months

GC: September 14, 2001 - 57 months

Wii: November 19, 2006 - 62 months

Wii2: Prediction - 65 months or May, 2012

 

PS1: december 3, 1994 - 

PS2: march 4, 2000 - 63 months

PS3: november 11, 2006 - 80 months

PS4: Prediction - 84 months or November, 2013

 

Slightly longer on average, but not enough to wreck the generational system in the past

Now it's hard to predict where this will all go, because technological convergence and the spectre of streaming gaming will come down the pipe and reduce all the platform holders to a service industry anyway, so number 8 or 9 could very well be the last



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

dharh on 25 April 2011
dharh said:

If im conservative with the trends this is what I see:

 

 

NES: july 15, 1983

SNES: Novermber 21, 1990 - 88 months

N64: June 23, 1996 - 67 months

GC: September 14, 2001 - 57 months

Wii: November 19, 2006 - 62 months

Wii2: Prediction - 65 months or May, 2012

 

PS1: december 3, 1994 - 

PS2: march 4, 2000 - 63 months

PS3: november 11, 2006 - 80 months

PS4: Prediction - 84 months or November, 2013

 

Going on record that Wii2 (or whatever the final name will be) has been pretty well confirmed for April 2012.



A warrior keeps death on the mind from the moment of their first breath to the moment of their last.
MARCUSDJACKSON on 25 April 2011

Nintendo won't wait!

i just resently posted in Squilliams thread about this exact point to some degree.

Nintendo looks to be 3 gens ahead of Sony and MS if they continue to operate on a 5 yr life cycle starting the 8th, 9th, and 10th gens by themselves?

 but the reall question is will you continue to buy a console every 5 yrs or wait for your buck to be bangged?



 Zarx's unofficial The Witcher 3    

Official Playstation Vita Thread!

write reveiws, articles, share thoughts, and expand on discussion like never before on gamewise.co/brainwaves