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Joelcool7 said:
Faxanadu said:

I honestly have no problem waiting until 2015, as the Wii graphics are just fine. Anything more is not really needed to produce good games.


Hey the first one who doesn't mind waiting till 2015. Glad some people still enjoy Nintendo's hardware :P


I do not understand your logic here.

All I said that this level of graphical capabilities is absolutely sufficient to play games.



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I haven't enjoyed this gen's consoles enough yet, I need more games and years xD So I hope they don't.

Games like Persona 5, Kingdom hearts, tales of Xilia, FF VS  are needed to make me feel satisfied. A Dark Cloud would be nice too, I also need a great new IP to make up for the ones I lost since last gen.     >>.Hack/dark cloud if a sequel never actually appears :( <<



Joelcool7 said:

Honestly I think Microsoft planted the rumour about the next X-Box coming in 2015. I know for a fact that in like 09 Microsoft began hiring staff to work on a next gen Halo title, now some say that it was Reach but why did they call it next gen if Reach launched on 360.

I think Nintendo will launch in winter 2012. Now I'd think Microsoft would launch the following winter. With PS4 coming possibly as late as 2015 just so that Sony manages to make PS3 profitable and make up for all the losses they took early this gen.

As for power, some saying the next Nintendo console could be 720P or on par with PS3/360. That is possible but Nintendo would be in an awkward position. Sure for the year or so it had no competition titles could be ported from 360/PS3. But once 720/PS4 come , Nintendo would be in the same software predicament they are in right now. Where porting titles is very complicated.

I suspect Nintendo to do a DreamCast, no not go down in flames. Launch a powerful new console a year before the competition. This console is powerful enough to be considered next gen but not a super computer. Then Microsoft would play Sony's part entering their 720 (PS2) and Sony would follow later on with PS4 (GC/X-Box).

Nintendo has spent apparently like half a billion dollars a year on R&D. They should be able to give us a far superior system to PS3/360 for the cheap price of 250$. The question is how much will this innovation cost? Nintendo says the console will allow developers to do something they couldn't do on any other platform. How much will that cost I wonder.

OT: I'm glad to see the majority heck I haven't found a single user that thinks Wii2 could come in 2015. Heck not even MS fans think Microsoft could wait that long. Though some have suggested Sony.

I agree with you about processing power for the Wii, and I think that most people who expect a system that is about as powerful as the HD consoles assume Nintendo will follow the exact same strategy as they did in the last generation while ignoring the factors that led Nintendo to use that strategy. 

What the Wii became was (more or less) decided before the Nintendo DS launched, and at this time "conventional wisdom" was that the Nintendo DS would fall far behind the PSP, the 'revolution' would be a market failure, and Nintendo would become a third party publisher like Sega. On top of this few people would have predicted the success of the Wii, and leading up to the Wii/PS3 launches many industry insiders believed that people would buy the $600 instead of the $250 Wii because they would see the 'value' in the PS3. Nintendo (effectively) managed the risk by re-using their previous generation hardware, which kept R&D and licencing costs down while also providing a very inexpensive to manufacture system.

 

Today the market conditions are very different, Nintendo has to pay for the R&D and licencing on new hardware anyways, and (when you're talking new hardware) the cost premium of producing something that is similar in performance to the HD consoles and something that is 4 to 8 times as powerful is actually not that significant. Hypothetically speaking, if Nintendo took the Radeon HD5770 or Radeon HD6770 and spent the money to have them migrated from he 40nm process to a 32nm or 28nm process Nintendo would have a GPU that was significantly more powerful than the HD consoles while being cost effective and energy efficient.



perhaps Nintendo will take the same route they took with the gamecube and GBA but in reverse!

they will disrupt the Wii with a "third pillar" console system that also has some compatibility with Wii software! They could launch this system as early as holiday 2011 in Japan and spring 2012 in the rest of the world, and continue to support all 3 platforms for at least an additional year until Wii support is ended.

The catch? the device will not be a full HD console but rather some other kind of device. Maybe they could make it a tablet that can also function as a controller for the Wii as well as on it's own...

Maybe they could manufacture a retro 8-bit or 16-bit system that plugs into the end of the Wii remote, allowing you to play it on the go with only the remote (like some kind of game-boy micro but with motion sensors) or have it include a small RF transmitter so that you could play it on any TV with no additional wiring required - the whole device would be about the size of a wiimote with motion plus attached - just stick it in your back pocket when you visit a friend and play on their TV with minimal hassle!

This could also extend into new functionality for the wii, as maybe when connected (via wireless) to your home unit it could exchange data or upscale the graphics; Imagine playing a super mario bros. 3 type game on the go that automatically transitions to NSMB Wii graphics when you get home and vice versa! The potential for retro remakes alone would be quite huge. (not to mention the ever popular de-makes like dark void zero, etc. It could be like Nintendo's big joke on the industry with third parties coming up with 8-bit dead space or 16-bit Gears spin-offs)

Hell, since there are already motion sensors built into the remote this could allow for play-coins to be on wii as well! not to mention a street-pass or spot-pass type of functionality...

Or maybe it will be a camera that connects to the remote and allows you to take pictures outside and integrate them into Wii games (like a new Mario Paint...) Maybe this device would also include the mysterious vitality sensor as part of it, who knows?

I think Nintendo are in a unique position to offer some kind of novel, inexpensive (sub $100) hardware solution that broadens the Wii experience and extends it even further out of the living room while also offering some form of entertainment on its own.

I know I would be psyched for such an announcement, and it definitely has the potential to make the wii "cool" again...



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Joelcool7 said:
Faxanadu said:

I honestly have no problem waiting until 2015, as the Wii graphics are just fine. Anything more is not really needed to produce good games.


Hey the first one who doesn't mind waiting till 2015. Glad some people still enjoy Nintendo's hardware :P

I don't mind too, as long as they keep good games coming.



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if Nintendo was planning on releasing a console ahead of the others, the timing of the next Xbox gives them more time to make a better Wii. With a better idea of the timeframe of the competition Nintendo has more flexibility and options. They probably no longer have to rush the console out by 2012, and will likely wait until 2013, maybe 2014 (though I dount it).



 

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I honestly don't understand what Nintendo hopes to achieve by launching a new, more powerful Wii. Core gamers aren't going to buy it because of how awful the first Wii's core library has been, and the blue ocean crowd isn't going to buy it because they don't care about graphics. The only people I can see buying it are the "Nintendo core"; the people who will buy a system just to access the newest iterations of Mario and Zelda - in other words, the people who bought the Gamecube. And that should be a terrifying thought for Nintendo.



Some of you made really good points about the alternatives Nintendo can pursue.

I just cannot see the wii being a serious contender in 2012 let alone 2013 - 2015.

The wii was "old" even when it was released and seems even more so now with the Kinnect and Move systems and the wiimote type gameplay is no longer unique, which was it's big seller.

I agree with Dr Zoidberg. They shouldn't rush things.

Releasing a half-life turbo charged wii  2012/13 will probably up hardware sales but what about games?

It takes quite a while to develope a decent HD game. How many games can you release in 2 years?

By 2015 when or if xbox720 launches it would be old again and time for the real next gen Nintendo launch.

The wii had a very good run and although there may be mean times ahead those heady days of the past should substain it until 2014 or 2015 and launched a new console around the same time as the competition..and I hope and pray that there will be serious 3rd party support.



No chance Sony and MS will hold off until 2015 if Nintendo even hints at a 2012 launch, they will launch within a year of the next Nintendo console's launch