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Grimes said:

Biggest mistake I ever made was buying a netbook. Cheap piece of junk I hated using. Horrible experience, never again.

Netbook are great for traveling. Especially when you are away from your family. Just pull it out and send an email, upload pics. 

For general use though I much rather use a desktop 



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I'd rather buy an iPad than a netbook. Both are pretty much useless for actual work so I may as well spend the money on whatever plays Angry Birds better.




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rocketpig said:

I'd rather buy an iPad than a netbook. Both are pretty much useless for actual work so I may as well spend the money on whatever plays Angry Birds better.


...or just save your money (and maybe buy neither)? Is it really worth that cost for Angry Birds? Haha, I feel like an old fogey, but I guess I'm just more frugally-minded.



Baalzamon said:
greenmedic88 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
 


ok lets assume products not made by apple are cheap and will break (just to keep you happy)

it would still be more cost effective buying 2 computers made by toshiba than 1 apple computer assuming the failure rate of toshiba is as high as 50% and apples is 0% (which it obvisouly isnt but you can go around assuming that if you wish)

No, because I still prefer working on a Mac for a variety of applications.

Even if I got a 3 for 1 sale on a PC, I'd still be left with one box running Windows and two boxes that don't run OSX or any of the apps or utilities I have licensed on the platform.

I don't need another Windows based PC; I can build as many of them as I want using whatever components I want as I see fit. It has nothing to do with the cost. It still takes a lot more of my time configuring everything and getting all my BIOS settings and driver settings working just the way I want them, whereas on the Mac, doing my own IT usually consists of nothing more than basic software installs, automatic updates and the occasional HDD or RAM upgrade, no hassles, or tinkering; just work.

The cost difference in terms of money alone, running the assumption that whatever time I spend on IT related issues is worth zero $ in terms of productivity (completely false) is not unreasonable based on comparable configurations and builds.

Not everybody wants or needs a cheap computer.

Well, if you ignore time spent with IT related issues, the cost is actually quite considerable.  For $900 last August, I got a laptop with a quad core dual threaded processor, 4gb ram, 1gb dedicated graphics card.  You can now get the same thing, with a little better graphics card, and the new quad core processor.  For Apple, a similar spec laptop cost ~$2000.  So you're telling me that ignoring IT costs, there isn't a significant difference?

No dude. If I counted the amount of time I spend on a typical PC to get it to run exactly the way I want it to without problems and paid myself accordingly, Macs aren't just reasonably priced, they're a bargain considering I rarely have to tinker with anything to start working.

The flexibility I get by sourcing and configuring specific parts when I build a PC is the main reason why I still build my own workstations; it has a lot less to do with costs. This and the fact that there are production apps only available on Windows is why I use both platforms, but about the only thing I save by building a Wintel box is on the price of components.

As for $900 PC laptops based on Sandy Bridge i7 CPUs and Nvidia GT 540M GPUs, the 540M is really just a renamed GT 435M and it's about 30% slower than the GPU in the discrete GPU MBPs with the AMD HD 6750M. Plus, $900 buys a laptop with a i7-2630QM, which costs about $160 less than the i7-2720QM in the MBP.

Even if I configured a Sager laptop with comparable specs to the MBP for about $1,100, it would still have the slower GT 540M GPU and most importantly, it still wouldn't run OSX or any of the OSX only apps I run.

My only real gripe with Apple configurations is that for the price you pay, they don't use faster standard GPUs, which in the case of laptops may have more to do with heat and power consumption issues than anything else. You just can't fit a high end gaming GPU in a slim form 5.6 lb package and expect managable heat levels and 7-8 hour battery life.



kingofbubba said:
rocketpig said:

I'd rather buy an iPad than a netbook. Both are pretty much useless for actual work so I may as well spend the money on whatever plays Angry Birds better.


...or just save your money (and maybe buy neither)? Is it really worth that cost for Angry Birds? Haha, I feel like an old fogey, but I guess I'm just more frugally-minded.

Considering one can play Angry Birds on virtually every device from console to smartphone, yeah; I don't think you're just being a frugally-minded old fogey.

$0.99 app; $500-900 player? Only if you're insanely crazy about Angry Birds.

I'd still rather have the iPad for other reasons though. Battery life... always on... read in bed... instant access to data... I sound like a flipping commercial here; now I want one. Just hard to justify another end content consumer device when I probably should be working.



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rocketpig said:

I'd rather buy an iPad than a netbook. Both are pretty much useless for actual work so I may as well spend the money on whatever plays Angry Birds better.

I don't think I'll ever own a netbook; I just simply don't have any use for one unless I decided to start developing mobile apps based on Linux specifically for netbooks for whatever reason.

It's kind of a shrinking market considering that full spec laptops continue to get lower and lower in price.

Work-wise, depending on your field, there are plenty of work place applications for tablets, but if you design and create content itself, about the only thing a tablet is good for currently is to display your work to prospective clients or co-workers/bosses with the speed of handing them a print out. It's actually not such a bad reason to have one.



Thinking a bit further, if the iPad was more like a Cintiq graphics tablet (to include stylus compatibility with the same levels of pressure sensitivity and the ability to interface with a workstation for use with professional graphical production applications), I'd already have one.



greenmedic88 said:

No dude. If I counted the amount of time I spend on a typical PC to get it to run exactly the way I want it to without problems and paid myself accordingly, Macs aren't just reasonably priced, they're a bargain considering I rarely have to tinker with anything to start working.

The flexibility I get by sourcing and configuring specific parts when I build a PC is the main reason why I still build my own workstations; it has a lot less to do with costs. This and the fact that there are production apps only available on Windows is why I use both platforms, but about the only thing I save by building a Wintel box is on the price of components.

As for $900 PC laptops based on Sandy Bridge i7 CPUs and Nvidia GT 540M GPUs, the 540M is really just a renamed GT 435M and it's about 30% slower than the GPU in the discrete GPU MBPs with the AMD HD 6750M. Plus, $900 buys a laptop with a i7-2630QM, which costs about $160 less than the i7-2720QM in the MBP.

Even if I configured a Sager laptop with comparable specs to the MBP for about $1,100, it would still have the slower GT 540M GPU and most importantly, it still wouldn't run OSX or any of the OSX only apps I run.

My only real gripe with Apple configurations is that for the price you pay, they don't use faster standard GPUs, which in the case of laptops may have more to do with heat and power consumption issues than anything else. You just can't fit a high end gaming GPU in a slim form 5.6 lb package and expect managable heat levels and 7-8 hour battery life.

What exactly do you all have to do with your setup that takes so long?  I'm just curious, not trying to sound like I'm attacking you or anything.

Also, I know the processor is a bit faster on the current macbook pros.  I also discovered it is 1333mhz ram I have.

One other question, since you seem to follow them.  I've looked in the past, and its as if Apple is slow to respond to hardware changes, was this just coincidental, or are they actually slow to respond to the newest hardware changes?  Also, did they very recently update their macbooks, because all of that stuff is somewhat new.



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greenmedic88 said:
rocketpig said:

I'd rather buy an iPad than a netbook. Both are pretty much useless for actual work so I may as well spend the money on whatever plays Angry Birds better.

I don't think I'll ever own a netbook; I just simply don't have any use for one unless I decided to start developing mobile apps based on Linux specifically for netbooks for whatever reason.

It's kind of a shrinking market considering that full spec laptops continue to get lower and lower in price.

Work-wise, depending on your field, there are plenty of work place applications for tablets, but if you design and create content itself, about the only thing a tablet is good for currently is to display your work to prospective clients or co-workers/bosses with the speed of handing them a print out. It's actually not such a bad reason to have one.

That's the point. I was being a smart ass. A tablet really offers me nothing, though I can see how others would find them useful.




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greenmedic88 said:

Thinking a bit further, if the iPad was more like a Cintiq graphics tablet (to include stylus compatibility with the same levels of pressure sensitivity and the ability to interface with a workstation for use with professional graphical production applications), I'd already have one.

Same here.




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