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well ive been fixing my own firmware for ps3 in some of my sparetime (no, not for pirating) and well, i just got 3.60; the old security codes arent being used by sony anymore it seems.

the file that was compromised (metldr) is a file on all ps3s that is, well unchangeable, sony cant change it and neither can anyone else and well, that was sonys problem. now though, with 3.60 its moot as sony isnt using metldr... at all lol. im not sure how theyre ignoring it yet, nor do i really care, i wont be spending any of my time figuring it out, 3.55 will be perfect for my purposes. though its pretty interesting, isnt it?

anyone have any (inteligent) predictions on the future of ps3 security?

 



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cory.ok said:

well ive been fixing my own firmware for ps3 in some of my sparetime (no, not for pirating) and well, i just got 3.60; the old security codes arent being used by sony anymore it seems.

the file that was compromised (metldr) is a file on all ps3s that is, well unchangeable, sony cant change it and neither can anyone else and well, that was sonys problem. now though, with 3.60 its moot as sony isnt using metldr... at all lol. im not sure how theyre ignoring it yet, nor do i really care, i wont be spending any of my time figuring it out, 3.55 will be perfect for my purposes. though its pretty interesting, isnt it?

anyone have any (inteligent) predictions on the future of ps3 security?

 

master key worked for 3 or so years its just that someone figured it out and the online used the same damn code.



 

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AussieGecko said:
cory.ok said:

well ive been fixing my own firmware for ps3 in some of my sparetime (no, not for pirating) and well, i just got 3.60; the old security codes arent being used by sony anymore it seems.

the file that was compromised (metldr) is a file on all ps3s that is, well unchangeable, sony cant change it and neither can anyone else and well, that was sonys problem. now though, with 3.60 its moot as sony isnt using metldr... at all lol. im not sure how theyre ignoring it yet, nor do i really care, i wont be spending any of my time figuring it out, 3.55 will be perfect for my purposes. though its pretty interesting, isnt it?

anyone have any (inteligent) predictions on the future of ps3 security?

 

master key worked for 3 or so years its just that someone figured it out and the online used the same damn code.

i cant figure out why what youre saying is relevant, but sonys security was done wrong, otherwwise it would have been quite impossible to crack in the way that it was. but anyways sony did do it wrong and it was cracked. custom firmware came out of it and it seems that its over. new custom firmware looks... difficult at the moment.

i cant be certain, but it seems like the only way security will be cracked again is from scratch, but as people who care work on it, maybe we'll see a more simple solution come out

btw, an update to my first post, i was just talking to someone about it and they noticed that this wasnt the only change, the loaders were removed in this update also, so their iso and app loaders (amung others) were removed and replaced by lv.02



cory.ok said:
AussieGecko said:
cory.ok said:

well ive been fixing my own firmware for ps3 in some of my sparetime (no, not for pirating) and well, i just got 3.60; the old security codes arent being used by sony anymore it seems.

the file that was compromised (metldr) is a file on all ps3s that is, well unchangeable, sony cant change it and neither can anyone else and well, that was sonys problem. now though, with 3.60 its moot as sony isnt using metldr... at all lol. im not sure how theyre ignoring it yet, nor do i really care, i wont be spending any of my time figuring it out, 3.55 will be perfect for my purposes. though its pretty interesting, isnt it?

anyone have any (inteligent) predictions on the future of ps3 security?

 

master key worked for 3 or so years its just that someone figured it out and the online used the same damn code.

i cant figure out why what youre saying is relevant, but sonys security was done wrong, otherwwise it would have been quite impossible to crack in the way that it was. but anyways sony did do it wrong and it was cracked. custom firmware came out of it and it seems that its over. new custom firmware looks... difficult at the moment.

i cant be certain, but it seems like the only way security will be cracked again is from scratch, but as people who care work on it, maybe we'll see a more simple solution come out

btw, an update to my first post, i was just talking to someone about it and they noticed that this wasnt the only change, the loaders were removed in this update also, so their iso and app loaders (amung others) were removed and replaced by lv.02

I find this hilarious, because all the hackers said that with the master keys in their hands, Sony can't fix the problem with a firmware update. Guess what, they did it already with 3.56.

However, I really wonder how they did it.



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Silver-Tiger said:
cory.ok said:
AussieGecko said:
cory.ok said:

well ive been fixing my own firmware for ps3 in some of my sparetime (no, not for pirating) and well, i just got 3.60; the old security codes arent being used by sony anymore it seems.

the file that was compromised (metldr) is a file on all ps3s that is, well unchangeable, sony cant change it and neither can anyone else and well, that was sonys problem. now though, with 3.60 its moot as sony isnt using metldr... at all lol. im not sure how theyre ignoring it yet, nor do i really care, i wont be spending any of my time figuring it out, 3.55 will be perfect for my purposes. though its pretty interesting, isnt it?

anyone have any (inteligent) predictions on the future of ps3 security?

 

master key worked for 3 or so years its just that someone figured it out and the online used the same damn code.

i cant figure out why what youre saying is relevant, but sonys security was done wrong, otherwwise it would have been quite impossible to crack in the way that it was. but anyways sony did do it wrong and it was cracked. custom firmware came out of it and it seems that its over. new custom firmware looks... difficult at the moment.

i cant be certain, but it seems like the only way security will be cracked again is from scratch, but as people who care work on it, maybe we'll see a more simple solution come out

btw, an update to my first post, i was just talking to someone about it and they noticed that this wasnt the only change, the loaders were removed in this update also, so their iso and app loaders (amung others) were removed and replaced by lv.02

I find this hilarious, because all the hackers said that with the master keys in their hands, Sony can't fix the problem with a firmware update. Guess what, they did it already with 3.56.

However, I really wonder how they did it.

With the magical power of progammers that do this kinda stuff for their bread and butter, not shits and giggles :P

Awesome news, hopefully they nail down the doors till the end of this gen.



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More info?

“Wow, in 3.60, Sony removed all the loaders, no more isoldr/lv1ldr/lv2ldr/appldr.. but they added lv0.2! Seems they found a way to secure ps3”

"they can't update or remove it, but very surprisingly, they just bypassed it, it's there but unused.."  

“Humm, looks like lv0.2 is just the SCE header of lv0, just like the spkg, it doesn’t contain code in itself… just resigned with securely..”

“For now, it looks to me (at first glance) that the ps3 has been resecured, but it doesn’t mean it can’t be broken again from scratch..”

So PS3 will be rehacked again... no previous hack works.



ethomaz said:

More info?

“Wow, in 3.60, Sony removed all the loaders, no more isoldr/lv1ldr/lv2ldr/appldr.. but they added lv0.2! Seems they found a way to secure ps3”

"they can't update or remove it, but very surprisingly, they just bypassed it, it's there but unused.."  

“Humm, looks like lv0.2 is just the SCE header of lv0, just like the spkg, it doesn’t contain code in itself… just resigned with securely..”

“For now, it looks to me (at first glance) that the ps3 has been resecured, but it doesn’t mean it can’t be broken again from scratch..”

So PS3 will be rehacked again... no previous hack works.

Only if they need to. I've read it's still possible to access PSN with 3.55, so yeah no need to update/make a new CFW UNLESS Sony makes their new games require 3.60 and hackers cannot patch the eboot to 3.55.

I think something similar happened with GT5, though I'm not quite sure about that.