bannedagain said:
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theprof00 said:
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THis pisses me off just because I have nothing to do with sony, Nor do I own a ps3. WTF do they get access to anything of mine for. They shouldn't and should be against the law. I hit a link on this site so sony can do as they please with my IP. I don't care if they got if I want them to but If I dont', I don't. Thats the point there is nothing to be worried about but our rights and I am sick of corperate scum like sony getting in my F-cking pants. I also would be very pissed if my address is handed out all over. There is people I don't much care for out there. I would not want them to access my address because it just ok, it's not. SO FUSONY.
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they can't do anything with your IP. If anything ever happened to your dislike from them "having" your IP, You would be able to sue Sony for millions upon millions.
You visited his site. So what? BFD. Sony doesn't care who you are or what you did. All they care about is if you are FROM California. Then, still they don't care about you. You're a statistic, that's it. You're a case for Sony to point at Geohot and say, "Californian PS3 base is severely disrupted by Geohot, and it's one of our base of operations, and where all our imports come in.. etc etc". That's all you are to Sony.
So get off your high horse, and take off the tinfoil hat. I've been to his site a dozen times to read all the crazy things he has to say. I'm not worried because if Sony were to do anything with our IPs EXCEPT in the case to prove Geohot guilty, they would be sued in a big way, and would probably have their geohot case overturned on top of it all, and have to pay his fees and time and everything.
The sky is NOT falling. Relax, as business as usual (including the usual attempts to tear down Sony) will continue.
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did you not read that I said It wasn't that I'm worred about anything. It was the pure right Of mine that they have it and I didn't want them to, Thats it. You get it or your so far up there arse that you don't get what rights mean.
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You do not have that right. The internet is a PUBLIC space. It is the same thing that a cop can arrest you for things that are "in plain sight". A cop can enter your home or car without a search warrant if he can see illegal activity or goods from where he is standing.
If you're at a crime scene and leave and a cop then tracks you down, you cannot say, "you don't have the right to know if I was there".
Watching a video is not illegal, but you're NOT anonymous on the internet. Search providers track your IPs, servers keep logs of your IP, youtube tracks your IP. You are a person walking down the "street" of the net. And people do know where you are.
You think that just because you don't want them to have your IP, they can't have it?
Allow me to politely guffaw while I contemplate whether to keep 'arguing' with you.
I'm just going to end this here. Sony cannot do anything to you. They cannot look at anything you do online, they cannot target you, they cannot make a case against you. They have no right, and no judge will allow them to do so. This judge didn't allow that, and no judge ever will UNLESS YOU committed an internet crime. (Which you did not, despite how much you wrongheadedly insist that Sony says you did)
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Heres the deal, I didn't to sh-t. GEOHOT DID, not me. SO thats my deal . THere you go, no need to enter my car, nothing illegal or my space or even have damn number. I disagree with you. Your using guilty situations to prove your points when I did nothing to have guilt.
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What next, are you going to sue the NSA for reading your e-mail and listening to your cellphones calls ???????
Besides Sony isn't asking for your data, it asks for those ISPs to give their customer data ( which you happen to be one if you visited the site...). If you don't want to leave a trace on the internet, don't go on the internet, because every frigging site keeps a record of your visit and the federal government in certain case can even ask your ISP for access to every data you send through it..........
Same thing when a bank is under investigations and a judge asks them to provide the name of all their account holders to the prosecutor. Doesn't mean everyone of them is a criminal....
You do realize that half the mods on this site can see your IP and they could post it and not get into any kind of trouble right ???????
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YOu too don't get it. I choose to come to this site. I didn't choose to go to anything sony. get it.
WHY would anything sony seem bad to either of you, It wouldn't. thats why I'm done with you both.
WOW if MS did this you would both have sh-t fit and I've seen MS do less and this site go nuts about it.
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Look. I do love Sony. But I'm not above rational thinking. I love Microsoft's marketing division. If I could get a job within MS marketing, I'd be incredibly happy. If I ould get a job with Nintendo helping design innovative controls and games, the same. I love all those companies in unique ways. I do have problems with all three however. I have a major problem with Sony's marketing, I have a major problem with MS' quality control, and I have a major problem with Nintendo's strategy and support.
This is not a "fanboy" issue.
I'm trying my hardest to explain to you, and I don't know whether I should continue. I'm going to just restate what has been said already.
Your IP is being used to show that Geohot has had contact with people. You didn't do anything wrong and Sony is not saying you have done anything wrong. They will additionally not use this IP list to shut down anyone's PS3 who DID download the crack. They will not do this for one reason: It is illegal to do so. They cannot do ANYTHING with these IPs besides what the judge has allowed, and that is two very explicit conditions. 1. To prove Geohot has had contact with people. 2. To show WHERE in the US a lot of these people live so that they can move jurisdiction from NJ to CA. You have every right to take issue with that second one, and I will not argue that with you other than telling you that it is their legal right to do so.
You cannot just say, "they cannot have it". That is not the way the world works. If it did, pedophilia and internet drug trading among many other illegal activities would become burgeoning enterprises. People could plan your death online, and you could do nothing about it.
What I understand is that you want to have your cake and eat it too. You want the law to work for you, but not for others.
Sony has every legal right to look at where these IPs are coming from, but outside of that (and I cannot stress this enough) they have no legal rights to do ANYTHING with those IPs. Consumers are protected from that, and from what I gather, that is what you are FOR. I really don't understand how you are upset when there is nothing contradictive to your own beliefs. They have your IP to prove that Geohot has had contact in one form or another with other people. That is IT. That is Sony's "grand scheme"; to do something that is 100% legal (not corrupted justice) and how the law is intended to work.
Sony has not "bought" any judges or courts or verdicts. Without the IPs they cannot prove that Geohot contacted people. Obviously, in a perfect world, one could ASSUME that he did. A judge could say, "well he's been in the news saying that he released the code, and he's twittered people, therefore he's guilty". It doesn't and shouldn't work that way. You need PROOF.
Here's an example. When the boston strangler was around, many many people were just walking in off the street saying that they were the Boston strangler when they weren't. The court system needs PROOF. They need to be proven "BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT" that the action occurred. Someone could always be lying, like the people claiming that hackers can unban themselves. Sure you can "say" that you have that ability. But, do you REALLY have that ability. You can't just convict someone for saying that they did something.
That is what the IPs are for. That is the end of the extent of the IPs use.
Insofar that you think they can use the IPs for anything else, you would also be wrong. They cannot create any new cases based on information that they gained from IPs that are to be specifically used for something else. According to the law, if you asked for a sandwich (IPs), and your reason was so that you can eat it (proof of contact), you cannot use it to feed birds (give IPs to other people), or look at the ingredients (invade IP privacy). You can eat it, and that's it.
With that, I'm done.
If anyone else wants to be so hardheaded that they will skip this post and just post their own fantastical ideas about how this is corruption or the beginning of the New World Order, then they can do that. I just want them to make sure they don't forget their tin-foil hats.
