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Effed in the A, effed in the A, Geohotz is getting mothereffed in the A!

Good night Geohotz, you better do 5 more donation calls because even if Sony's case is weak and a loss, they will break you financially through legal motions prolonging the case. Or should I say your parent's bank, you little punk.



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Mr Khan said:
theprof00 said:
Mr Khan said:

Like these big websites are specifically targeting California, though. Again, vengeful anti-consumer opportunism with no real basis except that that's where they want the case to take place. There's an equal chance of it occurring in any state in the Union, and quite a few out of it, if they're going on that flimsy of an argument.

while I agree that they are doing it to get the best case in the region with the best chance to win, there is nothing wrong with that and companies AND people do it all the time.

They are just seeing in the offhand chance that they could get it to take place in california, they have every right to do so. Like I said before, this has nothing to do with the people who watched the vido, or downloaded the hack or anything. This is simply a jurisdictional thing.

Either way, it doesn't look good on them, that they violate consumer privacy in order to jockey for a better chance to damage consumer rights just so they can fight a threat by attacking non-consumers...


I blame myself for not being able to explain to you properly.

They just want to know where the people are so that they can establish jurisdiction and prove that he distributed, that is all. There is no breach in consumer anything.

Additionally, I find it humorous that you think sony is going to potentially attack people for potential hacking. You think Sony is going to blame people for things they haven't done, yet you're blaming sony for what they haven't done. This is complete madness.



theprof00 said:
Mr Khan said:
theprof00 said:
Mr Khan said:

Like these big websites are specifically targeting California, though. Again, vengeful anti-consumer opportunism with no real basis except that that's where they want the case to take place. There's an equal chance of it occurring in any state in the Union, and quite a few out of it, if they're going on that flimsy of an argument.

while I agree that they are doing it to get the best case in the region with the best chance to win, there is nothing wrong with that and companies AND people do it all the time.

They are just seeing in the offhand chance that they could get it to take place in california, they have every right to do so. Like I said before, this has nothing to do with the people who watched the vido, or downloaded the hack or anything. This is simply a jurisdictional thing.

Either way, it doesn't look good on them, that they violate consumer privacy in order to jockey for a better chance to damage consumer rights just so they can fight a threat by attacking non-consumers...


I blame myself for not being able to explain to you properly.

They just want to know where the people are so that they can establish jurisdiction and prove that he distributed, that is all. There is no breach in consumer anything.

Additionally, I find it humorous that you think sony is going to potentially attack people for potential hacking. You think Sony is going to blame people for things they haven't done, yet you're blaming sony for what they haven't done. This is complete madness.

I'm interpreting Sony's every act as anti-consumer to the extreme hilt here. They've acted in bad faith in the past and continue to do so, and i'm just mad that they're being allowed to get away with it, hence my wish for them to get their ass handed to them with extreme prejudice. I understand where your argument is coming from, it's interpreting their stance more neutrally than mine, but it seems to me that if all Sony were doing were trying to establish jurisdiction (which they shouldn't be worrying about if they were actually confident in their own case), they wouldn't need to put themselves in this damaging position of looking like the bad guy by poking into other companies' information, all to do something that they really probably don't have a right to do in the first place

I'm not ignorant of the meaning of your explanation, just stupidly angry on my part:P



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Pk9394 said:

First of all I don't care if Geohotz's case, I have stated at the beganing I'm not going to touch on the subject of hacking or pirating illegal software.  My was always about corporate owned government,  Mega corporate are giving too much power to abuse the people.  In this case Sony have absolutely no right looking at other companies IP log, if someone break a law the Law enforcer will grant the right to look at any possbile evident.  What we have here is our Jurisdication giving a company right to look at stuff they have no right to.   


What exactly do you think Sony can do with this IP log beside proving how many person downloaded the hack and their internet provider location?



Mr Khan said:
 

I'm interpreting Sony's every act as anti-consumer to the extreme hilt here. They've acted in bad faith in the past and continue to do so, and i'm just mad that they're being allowed to get away with it, hence my wish for them to get their ass handed to them with extreme prejudice. I understand where your argument is coming from, it's interpreting their stance more neutrally than mine, but it seems to me that if all Sony were doing were trying to establish jurisdiction (which they shouldn't be worrying about if they were actually confident in their own case), they wouldn't need to put themselves in this damaging position of looking like the bad guy by poking into other companies' information, all to do something that they really probably don't have a right to do in the first place

I'm not ignorant of the meaning of your explanation, just stupidly angry on my part:P

This is the secondary reason. The first and foremost reason is to prove the distribution and the scale of this said distribution. The prejudice cause to Sony from Geohot action depends completely of this information.



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Icyedge said:
Pk9394 said:

First of all I don't care if Geohotz's case, I have stated at the beganing I'm not going to touch on the subject of hacking or pirating illegal software.  My was always about corporate owned government,  Mega corporate are giving too much power to abuse the people.  In this case Sony have absolutely no right looking at other companies IP log, if someone break a law the Law enforcer will grant the right to look at any possbile evident.  What we have here is our Jurisdication giving a company right to look at stuff they have no right to.   


What exactly do you think Sony can do with this IP log beside proving how many person downloaded the hack and their internet provider location?

Stop changing the topic here, and Sony can do alot more than what you think with gaining access to these IPs.  If they can get away with this action then I'm pretty sure they'll want permission to look at ISP's ip log on suspecious IPs to support "Their Jurisdition".



Pk9394 said:
Icyedge said:
Pk9394 said:

First of all I don't care if Geohotz's case, I have stated at the beganing I'm not going to touch on the subject of hacking or pirating illegal software.  My was always about corporate owned government,  Mega corporate are giving too much power to abuse the people.  In this case Sony have absolutely no right looking at other companies IP log, if someone break a law the Law enforcer will grant the right to look at any possbile evident.  What we have here is our Jurisdication giving a company right to look at stuff they have no right to.   


What exactly do you think Sony can do with this IP log beside proving how many person downloaded the hack and their internet provider location?

Stop changing the topic here, and Sony can do alot more than what you think with gaining access to these IPs.  If they can get away with this action then I'm pretty sure they'll want permission to look at ISP's ip log on suspecious IPs to support "Their Jurisdition".


What? My question was totally related to your affirmation. You said the jurisdiction give the right to a company to look at stuff they have no right to. Im asking what is this stuff exactly.



Pk9394 said:
Icyedge said:
Pk9394 said:

First of all I don't care if Geohotz's case, I have stated at the beganing I'm not going to touch on the subject of hacking or pirating illegal software.  My was always about corporate owned government,  Mega corporate are giving too much power to abuse the people.  In this case Sony have absolutely no right looking at other companies IP log, if someone break a law the Law enforcer will grant the right to look at any possbile evident.  What we have here is our Jurisdication giving a company right to look at stuff they have no right to.   


What exactly do you think Sony can do with this IP log beside proving how many person downloaded the hack and their internet provider location?

Stop changing the topic here, and Sony can do alot more than what you think with gaining access to these IPs.  If they can get away with this action then I'm pretty sure they'll want permission to look at ISP's ip log on suspecious IPs to support "Their Jurisdition".

No they cannot. 

They obtained this evidence for another case through this case.

The evidence they received must be applied for depending on the case they are pursuing. In this IP release, it was for the intent of using it for specific reasons laid out by the subpoena. They cannot use the IPs for any other reason except for what is LEGALLY ALLOWED, that being for 1) proving that geohot distributed code was received by others, 2) determining jurisdiction. 

If they want to use the IPs of youtubers and tweeters to make a case against those individuals themselves, they would have to apply for their use by subpoena AGAIN and state the reason why they need the IPs, or at least state why they want to use them. At that point in time, they would be denied use of them because it infringes on consumer rights and privacy.

Additionally, they cannot even create a case derived from info they received in the IPs. IE; they cannot look at the IPs and say, "we want to pursue action against these specific IPs because they are corporations and we have reason to believe x,y,z". The IPs themselves DO NOT EXIST according to the law, except for the purposes outlined in the IP subpoena case.

I don't mean to sound condescending, so if I do, then I apologize. But it's obvious you are just making up whatever you want in order to justify your sony-trolling.