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The argument that once you buy something it's yours to do with it whatever you please is really good. But the world isn't black and white, Sony isn't making a lot of money on PS3 sales, and they made a huge loss the first years. They offered us a great and powerful machine for less that it cost to make it and we should be grateful for it and respect their strategy as a company.

Now this hackers are trying to completely eliminate Sony's strategy and by releasing hacks that enables any user to play pirated content, for which obviously Sony doesn't make any profit.

What do we want? Do we want that companies like Sony to stop releasing consoles and good developers to stop making games for it?

It's not the same as the music, film or TV industries since those can make money from other sources, but videogames are pretty much screwed on piracy, specially for smaller developers.

 



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disolitude said:
Icyedge said:
disolitude said:

IMO Sony should have never picked a fight with the hacking community...seems like its getting out of control.


Banning the console off PSN was a normal move though. Im pretty sure this tool would have come out whatever Sony did beside that.


My comment is more aimed at Sony removing other os 10 months ago. Seems like everything started then...

well, why not go back a bit when mister hotz used the other OS to hack into the PS3 and bragged about it in public, because that was why they removed it in the first place if i remember correctly.



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spdk1 said:

how will the the hacking supporters and apologists turn this into a good thing this time?


The problem here is you're lumbing all the bad that came with the good. Supporting homebrew and mods doesn't mean supporting malicious intents and piracy.

 

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.



Galaki said:
spdk1 said:

how will the the hacking supporters and apologists turn this into a good thing this time?


The problem here is you're lumbing all the bad that came with the good. Supporting homebrew and mods doesn't mean supporting malicious intents and piracy.

 

Guns don't kill people. People kill people

I have no issues with folks that do homebrew and such, but I do have a problem with people buying game systems, taking them home, stealing the serial number off of them then returning them to the store, most likely lying about why they are returning them.  I work retail, and it's crap like this that gets hours cut, makes labor go up, and hurts the retail sector.  I know that this is a sketchy topic with not a lot of mis-information, but if folks are actually planning this, my little support for these guys just went out the window. 





spdk1 said:

I have no issues with folks that do homebrew and such, but I do have a problem with people buying game systems, taking them home, stealing the serial number off of them then returning them to the store, most likely lying about why they are returning them.  I work retail, and it's crap like this that gets hours cut, makes labor go up, and hurts the retail sector.  I know that this is a sketchy topic with not a lot of mis-information, but if folks are actually planning this, my little support for these guys just went out the window. 


Pretty sure we all hate those. That's why people are against what Sony is doing. It basically open itself wide to cause exactly that. Malicious users taking the new PS3 ID and causing legit consumers troubles.

You don't go killing 1 innocent person because it justify killing 5 other criminals. Or something like that.

 

I don't care what people do with their stuff, as long as it doesn't cripple other people's. They could have sex with their PS3 for all I care. As long as they don't sell it to Gamestop and you end up buying it.



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Galaki said:
spdk1 said:

I have no issues with folks that do homebrew and such, but I do have a problem with people buying game systems, taking them home, stealing the serial number off of them then returning them to the store, most likely lying about why they are returning them.  I work retail, and it's crap like this that gets hours cut, makes labor go up, and hurts the retail sector.  I know that this is a sketchy topic with not a lot of mis-information, but if folks are actually planning this, my little support for these guys just went out the window. 


Pretty sure we all hate those. That's why people are against what Sony is doing. It basically open itself wide to cause exactly that. Malicious users taking the new PS3 ID and causing legit consumers troubles.

You don't go killing 1 innocent person because it justify killing 5 other criminals. Or something like that.

 

I don't care what people do with their stuff, as long as it doesn't cripple other people's. They could have sex with their PS3 for all I care. As long as they don't sell it to Gamestop and you end up buying it.

LOL, ya know I bet there's some dude out there that has



lightbleeder said:

The argument that once you buy something it's yours to do with it whatever you please is really good. But the world isn't black and white, Sony isn't making a lot of money on PS3 sales, and they made a huge loss the first years. They offered us a great and powerful machine for less that it cost to make it and we should be grateful for it and respect their strategy as a company.

Now this hackers are trying to completely eliminate Sony's strategy and by releasing hacks that enables any user to play pirated content, for which obviously Sony doesn't make any profit.

What do we want? Do we want that companies like Sony to stop releasing consoles and good developers to stop making games for it?

It's not the same as the music, film or TV industries since those can make money from other sources, but videogames are pretty much screwed on piracy, specially for smaller developers.

 


Lol, What? you should be pissed at Sony, they shat on the consumers by telling them to get a second job so they could afford a PS3. They put Bluray into the console, this was the main contributer of the high launch price, and their strategy was to use the sucess of the PS2 to advance Bluray. It worked out great for the company, but screwed the gaming dept.

And really, the hacking is not wide spread enough (nor will it ever be) to cause Sony to shut down it's gaming dept. If anything, relaxing their stance on hacking the PS3 would help sell more consoles, it would hurt devs to some extent. At any rate, Sony will not win this fight, if you think they will, then you don't understand hackers AT ALL. It's not just the end result for these guys, it's about the challenge. I have a hacked origional Xbox...I did it myself, for fun, it has no games on it (although at this point it doesn't matter since you can't buy the games new anymore, and it isn't supported on XBL anymore) and I haven't booted the thing up in a couple of months. At any rate, Sony will try to stay ahead of the hackers, and the hackers will continue to hack the PS3, just because they can.



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You can unban an XBOX360 if you have another 360 console ID to my knowledge. You need a good console Id to do this so you cant just guess numbers and make up the ID. You cant keep both online at the same time so.......I dont know how this is too special



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Im with sony on this one. hackers seem to just ruin other peoples experiance so that they can basically mess about on PSN. Its just selfish in my eyes GO SONY!



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