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MonstaMack on 24 February 2011

If nothing is revealed at E3 I'm pretty convinced they will be focusing their efforts on the casual gamers with further push of Kinect games.

I would NOT be surprised to see Just Dance 3 released for Kinect.

It's pretty much wait till E3 to see what happens - but my main guess is Microsoft shows little support for the hardcore gamer (Forza 3, new Halo game and either Alan Wake 2 or a new IP) while their efforts turn towards pushing the Kinect audience further.

There will still be third party exclusives here and there and great muliplatform games, but It's been apparent that MS doesn't care too much about the hardcore gamers anymore unless Kinect sales take a huge dip.



It's just that simple.

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psrock on 24 February 2011

I bet you MS has more games than Sony later this year.



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AussieGecko on 24 February 2011
psrock said:

I bet you MS has more games than Sony later this year.


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psrock on 24 February 2011
AussieGecko said:
psrock said:

I bet you MS has more games than Sony later this year.


this. Thankyou for joining my chill pill brigade haha


look at last year: Sony huge 2nd half : LBP2, SOCOM4, GT5, MOVE:  but we only got GT5 and some crappy move games. 



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makingmusic476 on 24 February 2011

I would just like to remind people that Don Mattrick is running the 360 division.  Guess where he was five years ago?  Acting as President of Worldwide Studios over at EA, back when everybody hated EA.  Guess who was in charge of the 360 division five years ago, when they were announcing awesome IPs left and right?  Peter Moore.  Guess where he's at now?  EA, who have since done a complete 180 in terms of development culture (the EA Partners program being the most notable result of that).

From 2000-2006, EA were getting a lot of shit for closing or merging many studios they owned (most notably Westwood Studios).  This trend simply followed Mattrick to his new home, and it's lead to where MGS are today.



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Joelcool7 on 24 February 2011
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Joelcool7 said:

I think its alittle early to be judging Microsoft's performance for 2011. Yes I'm dissapointed that Rare is now a Kinect developer rather then bringing us titles from their established IP's. However it is early in the year and people are judging both Nintendo and now Microsoft.

E3 is still months away and I can't recall when X-11 is if it is happening this year. Its still way to early to make judgements of Microsoft. Wait until after E3 and we know completely what they are releasing. Then you can judge their first party studios!


Send a letter the MS and Major Nelson, telling them to stop hyping "blowout events" with no exclusives. That was why this event was getting so much core attention. They suckered us in and gave us nothing. Now we have to wait until June to see what they really meant to say, if anything at all.

Yah I remember when Rare was teasing us with Kinect Sports. they hid a Banjo thing on the site and I saw it and with tons of others jumped to the conclusion Rare was finally bringing Banjo Threeie. Then the announced comes out of Kinect Sports and my heart just sank.

Microsoft stop teasing things that won't happen (Like the Banjo tease) and actually give us the games instead of getting us all excited then showing us some cliche sports title. Rather then getting everyone exited for these press releases maybe actually show us something.

Its like Microsoft knows we all want the next Banjo, Conker and such... so they tease us with them and then give us entirely different products. Like what their doing with Rare right now, teasing us all saying that theirs a big game coming. But what will it be a hardcore big game targetting the gamers who loved Rare or another Kinect title that will appeal to very few of us.

Its like if Nintendo announced they had a huge game coming and they were going to announce it soon. Its coming from Nintendo EAD Tokyo its going to be big. Then it turns out its WiiPlay2. Sure a few people might like it, but everyone was expecting StarFox or F-Zero or Pikmin3 etc...etc....

What Microsoft is doing is just not nice!



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S.T.A.G.E. on 24 February 2011
AussieGecko said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Wait..what? Exclusives are important for console identity and to separate it from its competitor. It is extremely important to have exclusives (hopefully first party). Look what third party exclusives did for Sony in the past. They can no longer fulfill such promises in this day and age. Multiplatforms are something multiple platforms will have. We all can enjoy it. Exclusives are not and are the bait to which most cores buy their consoles. The multiplats this year are on fire; I totally agree with you man. The problem with Microsoft is their weak hold on core exclusives.

I agree, the xbox has been around for a few years they have a few exclusives already, they are very very good exclusives.

First or 3rd party doesnt really matter as long as you own the name or series. Which what I think is happening with Gears.

I have a ps3, so i dont know if I can say the next bit BUT, with the already extensive library and the multis that are coming out for the 360 (and ps3 as well but focusing on the 360 here) then it wouldnt really get me to buy a ps3. I bought a ps3 for my bro in law and sister, they wanted to play against me online.

No-one even the high gs people would have all the games that are quality atm... that would be crazy. Does MS need to start churning out core exclusives? hell yes, are they resting on their laurels? hell yes. Will this realistically hurt them this much away from places like VGC and IGN forums? Probably not. And that is the thing. My mates last 10 games (average approximation) he has played have been multiplats.

I really dont see the issue. If at E3 they still havent produced then hell I will turn my blow torch on, but honestly, Ms has a lot of tentacles the WP7 area is pretty largely being targetted as well and occording to Jessica Chobot, Fable III will be in 3D on either PC or Xbox360... so that is pretty cool. They are doing it but they have too many areas atm going on.


Well the thing about third gen is that first party titles are becoming holy and third parties are mostly dying off like the plague, unless you have the IP under your control. With Gears, Microsoft doesn't own the IP. Microsoft only has a three game contract with Epic, which expires after Gears 3 launches. Sony lost the first half of the gen to Microsoft because of the loss of third party exclusives, which is why they now solely depend on their in-house first party. Sony is taking exclusives from Microsoft and now Microsoft can barely fend for itself with first parties. It's interesting how this has all played out.

As for Fable 3....Microsoft knows not what exclusive means. Anyone can get their hands on Fable now, even the pirates. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 24 February 2011
psrock said:

I bet you MS has more games than Sony later this year.


....lol...I dare them to pump out over 20 core exclusives. Of those 20 new unveiled titles I dare them to have at least five quality IP's worth an average of 8.5-10.



AussieGecko on 24 February 2011
psrock said:


look at last year: Sony huge 2nd half : LBP2, SOCOM4, GT5, MOVE:  but we only got GT5 and some crappy move games. 


And yet someone like Mantlepieck... would he consider that to be delaying because of scarcity in 2011, the double standards of some of the people in this site is absolutely amazing.

Ms has got stuff coming fact. Why is it a necessity they announce it today as opposed to E3... this doesnt make sense.



 

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makingmusic476 on 24 February 2011
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Well the thing about third gen is that first party titles are becoming holy and third parties are mostly dying off like the plague, unless you have the IP under your control. With Gears, Microsoft doesn't own the IP. Microsoft only has a three game contract with Epic, which expires after Gears 3 launches. Sony lost the first half of the gen to Microsoft because of the loss of third party exclusives, which is why they now solely depend on their in-house first party. Sony is taking exclusives from Microsoft and now Microsoft can barely fend for itself with first parties. It's interesting how this has all played out.

As for Fable 3....Microsoft knows not what exclusive means. Anyone can get their hands on Fable now, even the pirates. 

Actually, they had a two game contract with Epic.  The fact that Epic continued to work with Microsoft for Gears 3 shows they're quite comfortable where they are.

That could easily change in the transition between generations, however, as things often do.  Just look at the PS3 this gen.  If Sony hadn't had an army of first party developers to fall back on, they'd currently be a distant third, if they were still selling consoles at all.