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menx64 on 24 February 2011

3 parties seems to be scared of nintendo, maybe they dont trust themselves much... A good game can sell well on any console, all they need is a good game, some marketing, at least something, I bet some wii games are only known in forums and gaming sites... 

 Let me quote this example... 

Q: You had a lot of success on the DS at a time when others wouldn't touch it, whether because they didn't think they could score a hit without being a Nintendo first-party title, or that piracy was too prevalent. So what was your thinking about the platform and support for it at the time?

Joseph Tringali: It's funny. We would talk to publishers and they would tell us the same thing, 'Nintendo is untouchable, nobody competes with Nintendo, don't even bother with original games'. And we thought, why? Nobody could give us that answer. The only answer would be 'because it's Nintendo'. They have advantages of course but there's no reason why gamers wouldn't buy a game from somebody else that was like a Nintendo game. A lot of ways, in the DS space, we sought to emulate Nintendo and its mass-market appeal. How the art is inoffensive - Nintendogs, Brain Age, everybody plays them. For us, we added our hook to Scribblenauts and Drawn to Life. We cornered the market by saying, 'look, even Nintendo doesn't have what we have'.

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=150978



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LordTheNightKnight on 24 February 2011
menx64 said:

3 parties seems to be scared of nintendo, maybe they dont trust themselves much... A good game can sell well on any console, all they need is a good game, some marketing, at least something, I bet some wii games are only known in forums and gaming sites... 

 Let me quote this example... 

Q: You had a lot of success on the DS at a time when others wouldn't touch it, whether because they didn't think they could score a hit without being a Nintendo first-party title, or that piracy was too prevalent. So what was your thinking about the platform and support for it at the time?

Joseph Tringali: It's funny. We would talk to publishers and they would tell us the same thing, 'Nintendo is untouchable, nobody competes with Nintendo, don't even bother with original games'. And we thought, why? Nobody could give us that answer. The only answer would be 'because it's Nintendo'. They have advantages of course but there's no reason why gamers wouldn't buy a game from somebody else that was like a Nintendo game. A lot of ways, in the DS space, we sought to emulate Nintendo and its mass-market appeal. How the art is inoffensive - Nintendogs, Brain Age, everybody plays them. For us, we added our hook to Scribblenauts and Drawn to Life. We cornered the market by saying, 'look, even Nintendo doesn't have what we have'.

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=150978


So it really does look like stubbornness. They don't even had good reasons anymore.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

oniyide on 24 February 2011

@lordtheknight  what the hell does devs have to do with what i think games should have done better??? Those two have no correlation with each other.  OT the whole title of the thread is flawed, there are more games for WIi than any other current gen console so in fact the WIi is getting more support than any other, if its not the support that some people want, to bad, so sad



LordTheNightKnight on 24 February 2011
oniyide said:

@lordtheknight  what the hell does devs have to do with what i think games should have done better??? Those two have no correlation with each other.  OT the whole title of the thread is flawed, there are more games for WIi than any other current gen console so in fact the WIi is getting more support than any other, if its not the support that some people want, to bad, so sad


They do, but I will elaborate. You claim you feel developers should do what they want. But your complaints about games not selling as well as you think tend to dismiss things about flaws in the games themselves, and you often point to things relating to consumers choosing not to buy them, hence it looks as though you are acting as though consumers shouldn't be able to buy or not buy any games they want. If you didn't mean that, you should pay attention to what you write, because you surely imply it.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

IamAwsome on 24 February 2011
oniyide said:

@lordtheknight  what the hell does devs have to do with what i think games should have done better??? Those two have no correlation with each other.  OT the whole title of the thread is flawed, there are more games for WIi than any other current gen console so in fact the WIi is getting more support than any other, if its not the support that some people want, to bad, so sad

I meant support in the form of Non-shovelware



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oniyide on 24 February 2011

@lordtheknight  i think you should stop looking for things that arent there. 

@Iamawesome  i think thats a complex answer, but if I may, maybe a good chunk of Wii owners dont really care for these  "core" games. I mean if half the user base is multiplat anyway, their most of the time gonna opt for the HD version of said game or equivalent. and the large chunk of Wii  owners who just wanna dance and exercise dont give a crap about thsoe "core" games so that leaves the Ninty only fans and even though some dont want to admit it, they are the minority, so looking at it from dev/publisher side, the cost of making a Wii "core" game might not see the returns they want

OR  they dont care about Nintendo. im a multiplater so either one works for me



Veder Juda on 24 February 2011
menx64 said:

3 parties seems to be scared of nintendo, maybe they dont trust themselves much... A good game can sell well on any console, all they need is a good game, some marketing, at least something, I bet some wii games are only known in forums and gaming sites... 

 Let me quote this example... 

Q: You had a lot of success on the DS at a time when others wouldn't touch it, whether because they didn't think they could score a hit without being a Nintendo first-party title, or that piracy was too prevalent. So what was your thinking about the platform and support for it at the time?

Joseph Tringali: It's funny. We would talk to publishers and they would tell us the same thing, 'Nintendo is untouchable, nobody competes with Nintendo, don't even bother with original games'. And we thought, why? Nobody could give us that answer. The only answer would be 'because it's Nintendo'. They have advantages of course but there's no reason why gamers wouldn't buy a game from somebody else that was like a Nintendo game. A lot of ways, in the DS space, we sought to emulate Nintendo and its mass-market appeal. How the art is inoffensive - Nintendogs, Brain Age, everybody plays them. For us, we added our hook to Scribblenauts and Drawn to Life. We cornered the market by saying, 'look, even Nintendo doesn't have what we have'.

http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=150978

So third patries like Sony and Microsoft because they are pushovers and their games suck.



Veder Juda is hand crafted from EPIC FAIL, and is a 96% certified Looney; the other 4% is a work in progress.

LordTheNightKnight on 24 February 2011
oniyide said:

@lordtheknight  i think you should stop looking for things that arent there. 

@Iamawesome  i think thats a complex answer, but if I may, maybe a good chunk of Wii owners dont really care for these  "core" games. I mean if half the user base is multiplat anyway, their most of the time gonna opt for the HD version of said game or equivalent. and the large chunk of Wii  owners who just wanna dance and exercise dont give a crap about thsoe "core" games so that leaves the Ninty only fans and even though some dont want to admit it, they are the minority, so looking at it from dev/publisher side, the cost of making a Wii "core" game might not see the returns they want

OR  they dont care about Nintendo. im a multiplater so either one works for me


Bull. You just posted something like that in another thread, where you are calling the cosumers wrong for expecting the support, and not supporting what the developers decide they get.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

melbye on 24 February 2011

Clearly 3rd parties need to feel like they are necessary for a console to survive, and on a Nintendo-console they are not



digitalnasties on 24 February 2011

Well that fact that Sony pay for GTA titles to be exclusive and the same with mircosoft, give you a reason why the don't publish games on Nintendo Systems, just about any game that will help sony or M$ will be made exclusive.