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360 to out future-proof the ps3?

True 121 31.19%
 
False 267 68.81%
 
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How the hell would 360 do that it's hardware sucks compared to ps3, I doubt an eyetoy clone is going to make a difference 



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AussieGecko said:
thismeintiel said:

Again, you seem to be blinded by either your dislike of Blu-ray and/or your love of HD-DVD.  Consumers made the choice, not Sony.  Just like consumers chose VHS over Sony's Betamax, it's the same for all format wars.  It doesn't matter what Sony chose to put out there in the market, without consumer support it would have failed.  Like I said, no one had to buy its players or the PS3.  They could have bought HD-DVD players and the 360.  Yes, some movie studios supported Blu-ray, but HD-DVD had its supporters, too (MS, Intel, Warner, Universal, Paramount).  And if Blu-ray had failed, its supporters would have moved over to HD-DVD.  However, consumers ultimately backed Blu-ray over HD-DVD.  So, really, it's one of those situations where you just need to get used to it.


Betamax wanted to fight, HD-DVD didnt near the middle of the war, they wanted to combine the discs which would have been superior to both.

http://forums.soundandvisionmag.com/showthread.php?535778-More-Talk-about-Blu-Ray-HD-DVD-Merge-Article

I even brought a link for proof. Sony said no, thus Sony killed HD-DVD why argue the point?

If Ms really supported HD-DVD they would have put it in the 360 it would have been the preferred format for the Americas most likely and then we wouldnt even have this topic... it might even be vice versa. 

All your article proves is that they were both in talks to make a single format BEFORE either were launched (that report was from early 2005).  Discussions obviously fell through.  Where did it say it was because of Sony?  They both probably had things they wanted to do for the single format the other disagreed on, so it was both of their faults there wasn't a single format.  And its also obvious Toshiba still wanted to fight, since according to that same article, "Toshiba, while admitting it is in talks with Sony and others on a unified format, said it has not changed its plan to launch HD DVD-based DVD players and notebook computers equipped with HD DVD drives in the fourth quarter of 2005."  If any thing, the discussions were probably just a stalling tactic by Toshiba in the hopes Sony would hold off on Blu-ray, while in the background still pushing their HD-DVD. 

And seriously, why can't some of you just get over the fact that consumers chose Blu-ray for whatever reason and it won?  You know, like everyone had to when their format of choice lost in the past.  And to try and paint Sony as some evil corporation, while Toshiba was angelic in their want for what was best for the consumer, just shows your blind bias.



thismeintiel said:

All your article proves is that they were both in talks to make a single format BEFORE either were launched (that report was from early 2005).  Discussions obviously fell through.  Where did it say it was because of Sony?  They both probably had things they wanted to do for the single format the other disagreed on, so it was both of their faults there wasn't a single format.  And its also obvious Toshiba still wanted to fight, since according to that same article, "Toshiba, while admitting it is in talks with Sony and others on a unified format, said it has not changed its plan to launch HD DVD-based DVD players and notebook computers equipped with HD DVD drives in the fourth quarter of 2005."  If any thing, the discussions were probably just a stalling tactic by Toshiba in the hopes Sony would hold off on Blu-ray, while in the background still pushing their HD-DVD. 

And seriously, why can't some of you just get over the fact that consumers chose Blu-ray for whatever reason and it won?  You know, like everyone had to when their format of choice lost in the past.  And to try and paint Sony as some evil corporation, while Toshiba was angelic in their want for what was best for the consumer, just shows your blind bias.

That was the first link I saw, go to wikipedia it gives the whole event, sony is the main figure head behind blu-ray so yes sony decided more or less to kill of hd-dvd



 

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AussieGecko said:
thismeintiel said:

All your article proves is that they were both in talks to make a single format BEFORE either were launched (that report was from early 2005).  Discussions obviously fell through.  Where did it say it was because of Sony?  They both probably had things they wanted to do for the single format the other disagreed on, so it was both of their faults there wasn't a single format.  And its also obvious Toshiba still wanted to fight, since according to that same article, "Toshiba, while admitting it is in talks with Sony and others on a unified format, said it has not changed its plan to launch HD DVD-based DVD players and notebook computers equipped with HD DVD drives in the fourth quarter of 2005."  If any thing, the discussions were probably just a stalling tactic by Toshiba in the hopes Sony would hold off on Blu-ray, while in the background still pushing their HD-DVD. 

And seriously, why can't some of you just get over the fact that consumers chose Blu-ray for whatever reason and it won?  You know, like everyone had to when their format of choice lost in the past.  And to try and paint Sony as some evil corporation, while Toshiba was angelic in their want for what was best for the consumer, just shows your blind bias.

That was the first link I saw, go to wikipedia it gives the whole event, sony is the main figure head behind blu-ray so yes sony decided more or less to kill of hd-dvd

Wikipedia supports my argument and never points the blame at either company solely.  They both wanted to go in different directions with their tech, so the discussions fell through.  However, I will discontinue this argument, as I can see you are still blinded by bias.  You'll have to just continue to live in your world where consumers have no choice but to buy whatever Sony shoves down their throats.  I think I'll live in the world where I have a choice in what I purchase.



Nope.  Both consoles are more or less the same and each can be extended equally as needed so it's impossible on both sides really so technically neither can 'out proof' the other.

What you're speaking about is sales bumping tactics around new features, prices, etc.  MS have done a great job here but arguably no better than Sony.  Last time this year the PS3 was ahead due to the re-design/price this year it's the 360 next year it could be either.

Coupled with a recession and other factors it was clear this gen was going to extend and each console was going to see various feature refreshes.

Heck, if Sony want they could release an Eye2 that is close to or matches Kinect features, MS could release a Blu-Ray external player if they decided that was needed.

So I'm going to say False.

MS have pulled off a nice boost in US with Kinect, no doubt about that - but worldwide it's more or less matched by PS3 baseline demand vs lower 360 baseline demand so I see no sign of any better 'future proofing'.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

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Fans do know this is BAD! if the PS4 releases before the next Xbox, Sony will have all the advantages like a year head start and possibility a cheaper price point if the 360 lasts longer than the PS3. not to mention Sony will aslo get the jump on release exclusives with its first party studios and have third party offerings before the Microsoft has a chance to launch their next console.

so i'm sure if the game is reversed this time round the PS4 will have all the advantages that the 360 had at this beginning of this gen.



thismeintiel said:
AussieGecko said:
thismeintiel said:

All your article proves is that they were both in talks to make a single format BEFORE either were launched (that report was from early 2005).  Discussions obviously fell through.  Where did it say it was because of Sony?  They both probably had things they wanted to do for the single format the other disagreed on, so it was both of their faults there wasn't a single format.  And its also obvious Toshiba still wanted to fight, since according to that same article, "Toshiba, while admitting it is in talks with Sony and others on a unified format, said it has not changed its plan to launch HD DVD-based DVD players and notebook computers equipped with HD DVD drives in the fourth quarter of 2005."  If any thing, the discussions were probably just a stalling tactic by Toshiba in the hopes Sony would hold off on Blu-ray, while in the background still pushing their HD-DVD. 

And seriously, why can't some of you just get over the fact that consumers chose Blu-ray for whatever reason and it won?  You know, like everyone had to when their format of choice lost in the past.  And to try and paint Sony as some evil corporation, while Toshiba was angelic in their want for what was best for the consumer, just shows your blind bias.

That was the first link I saw, go to wikipedia it gives the whole event, sony is the main figure head behind blu-ray so yes sony decided more or less to kill of hd-dvd

Wikipedia supports my argument and never points the blame at either company solely.  They both wanted to go in different directions with their tech, so the discussions fell through.  However, I will discontinue this argument, as I can see you are still blinded by bias.  You'll have to just continue to live in your world where consumers have no choice but to buy whatever Sony shoves down their throats.  I think I'll live in the world where I have a choice in what I purchase.

Sony killed off HD-DVD in the same way that MS killed netscape, lotus and wordstar, they was a direct competitor so wasn't going to allow them to gain marketshare, its consumers that decide in the end but its upto businesses to make sure consumers have little option but to go for their product which all company's  try to do.

For people to try and paint one company as evil & greedy is a little bit of a blinkered view, they're all greedy.



I put true. It's kept up so far, aside from Blu-Ray.



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