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Kasz216 said:

 

Which, unless those PSPs were sold at a loss... again is helping the industry.   Some people who pirate 100% are hurting the industry sure, but that's a very small amount in comparison to most pirates who seem to be of the "I pirate some stuff and buy other" variety... and even then of the 100% pirate... most of them appear to be of the "couldn't afford it anyway" group.  In which case, nothing is being hurt really, and if anything it's maintaining that interest until they one day do have money.

What about all those millions and millions of people who pirate games, MP3s and movies just to spend their money on other things?

Typical example being the PC gamer who never buys a PC game but spends all that money on hardware instead (I am that guy).

Status quo for world economy perhaps, but it's money taken away from game developers.



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Slimebeast said:
Kasz216 said:

 

Which, unless those PSPs were sold at a loss... again is helping the industry.   Some people who pirate 100% are hurting the industry sure, but that's a very small amount in comparison to most pirates who seem to be of the "I pirate some stuff and buy other" variety... and even then of the 100% pirate... most of them appear to be of the "couldn't afford it anyway" group.  In which case, nothing is being hurt really, and if anything it's maintaining that interest until they one day do have money.

What about all those millions and millions of people who pirate games, MP3s and movies just to spend their money on other things?

Typical example being the PC gamer who never buys a PC game but spends all that money on hardware instead (I am that guy).

Status quo for world economy perhaps, but it's money taken away from game developers.

You are in the vast minority and generally outweighed by pirates who aren't dicks. (No offense).

The money they lose by you is generally proven to be offset by other positive effects of piracy and other pirates... and in some cases more then offset.



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Kasz216 said:


Piracy killing the PC?  People who actually know something about PC gaming say hello.  PC gaming is by far the healthiest gaming platform around.  While tons of cosnole studios are going out of buisenss... all of the PC guys are doing great.  The difference is really, PC represents a stable and better infrastructure and buisness practice. 

As for the PSP... ever think that instead of artificially decreasing PSP software sales, piracy actually artificially INCREASED PSP sales because a lot of people who would of never bought PSP games bought PSPS.

1. I mean, I know tons of people with PSPs who don't even play PSP games on the system.  They hack em and use em as portable SNES/Sega Gensesis consoles.

2. Which, unless those PSPs were sold at a loss... again is helping the industry.   Some people who pirate 100% are hurting the industry sure, but that's a very small amount in comparison to most pirates who seem to be of the "I pirate some stuff and buy other" variety... and even then of the 100% pirate... most of them appear to be of the "couldn't afford it anyway" group.  In which case, nothing is being hurt really, and if anything it's maintaining that interest until they one day do have money.

3. It's why Microsoft's buisness policy with their PC software is "Don't pirate, but if you do, pirate us!" If you pirate MLB the Show for 3-4 years, when you get out of college and get a job, chances are you are going to buy a PS3 and also.... MLB the Show.

4. There are very very few "willing pirates."  That is people who just want stuff for free no matter what.  To people who are like that, well yeah, fuck em.  However, that's not really the vast majority of pirates, nor likely even the vast majority of people in this thread or anywhere.

1. and i know tons of people who cant afford to buy psp games but bought psps anyways coz they hacked their psps to hell and download all the games they want, pirate style

2. very true, as i said, i know a ton of people who bought psps and just priated the game. if the psps were not hacked to hell, none of them would have bought psps so, yeah no lost software sales. on the positive side, they made sony some money by buying the hardware.

3. maybe, mabye not. thee are a lot of bastards out there who, even though they can afford it, wont spend a dime on things that they can get free even if it means priateing shit. like, instead of going to the movies, they'd just go out and buy a bootleg dvd copy of the movie for 1/10 the price of  a movie ticket. their reasoning? why pay for anything full price when i can get it dirt cheap or beter yet, for free. the good thing this, this "ton of peope" is nothing compared to the volume of people who do not pirate.

4. there are many actually when just looking at the numbers. but when compared to the entire population of decent people, they barely matter.



ils411 said:
Kasz216 said:


Piracy killing the PC?  People who actually know something about PC gaming say hello.  PC gaming is by far the healthiest gaming platform around.  While tons of cosnole studios are going out of buisenss... all of the PC guys are doing great.  The difference is really, PC represents a stable and better infrastructure and buisness practice. 

As for the PSP... ever think that instead of artificially decreasing PSP software sales, piracy actually artificially INCREASED PSP sales because a lot of people who would of never bought PSP games bought PSPS.

1. I mean, I know tons of people with PSPs who don't even play PSP games on the system.  They hack em and use em as portable SNES/Sega Gensesis consoles.

2. Which, unless those PSPs were sold at a loss... again is helping the industry.   Some people who pirate 100% are hurting the industry sure, but that's a very small amount in comparison to most pirates who seem to be of the "I pirate some stuff and buy other" variety... and even then of the 100% pirate... most of them appear to be of the "couldn't afford it anyway" group.  In which case, nothing is being hurt really, and if anything it's maintaining that interest until they one day do have money.

3. It's why Microsoft's buisness policy with their PC software is "Don't pirate, but if you do, pirate us!" If you pirate MLB the Show for 3-4 years, when you get out of college and get a job, chances are you are going to buy a PS3 and also.... MLB the Show.

4. There are very very few "willing pirates."  That is people who just want stuff for free no matter what.  To people who are like that, well yeah, fuck em.  However, that's not really the vast majority of pirates, nor likely even the vast majority of people in this thread or anywhere.

1. and i know tons of people who cant afford to buy psp games but bought psps anyways coz they hacked their psps to hell and download all the games they want, pirate style

2. very true, as i said, i know a ton of people who bought psps and just priated the game. if the psps were not hacked to hell, none of them would have bought psps so, yeah no lost software sales. on the positive side, they made sony some money by buying the hardware.

3. maybe, mabye not. thee are a lot of bastards out there who, even though they can afford it, wont spend a dime on things that they can get free even if it means priateing shit. like, instead of going to the movies, they'd just go out and buy a bootleg dvd copy of the movie for 1/10 the price of  a movie ticket. their reasoning? why pay for anything full price when i can get it dirt cheap or beter yet, for free. the good thing this, this "ton of peope" is nothing compared to the volume of people who do not pirate.

4. there are many actually when just looking at the numbers. but when compared to the entire population of decent people, they barely matter.

1. Agreed

2. Agreed.

3.  Not statistically there aren't a lot.  The people you are talking about are statistically irrelvent even among pirates.  If you removed the option of piracy from the equation most people who pirated wouldn't buy the games still.  Some would, but ALSO some who bought the games due to them pirating wouldn't.  The majority of studies show that these two groups actually offset.  In a "piracy free" world, developers would not make any more money according to most government studies, and in some would actually make less.

4. There aren't many when looking at the numbers though... compared to pirates in general.  Not just "decent people".



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Kasz216 said:
Slimebeast said:
Kasz216 said:

 

Which, unless those PSPs were sold at a loss... again is helping the industry.   Some people who pirate 100% are hurting the industry sure, but that's a very small amount in comparison to most pirates who seem to be of the "I pirate some stuff and buy other" variety... and even then of the 100% pirate... most of them appear to be of the "couldn't afford it anyway" group.  In which case, nothing is being hurt really, and if anything it's maintaining that interest until they one day do have money.

What about all those millions and millions of people who pirate games, MP3s and movies just to spend their money on other things?

Typical example being the PC gamer who never buys a PC game but spends all that money on hardware instead (I am that guy).

Status quo for world economy perhaps, but it's money taken away from game developers.

You are in the vast minority and generally outweighed by pirates who aren't dicks. (No offense).

The money they lose by you is generally proven to be offset by other positive effects of piracy and other pirates... and in some cases more then offset.

What other effects that offset ?

Cause I'm not really sure a game like CoD BlackOps needs additional marketing after its 200 million$ tv campaign......

PS : what are these government studies you keep talking about ? ( a study by random university undegrad isn't a government study...)



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Kasz216 said:
ils411 said:
Kasz216 said:


Piracy killing the PC?  People who actually know something about PC gaming say hello.  PC gaming is by far the healthiest gaming platform around.  While tons of cosnole studios are going out of buisenss... all of the PC guys are doing great.  The difference is really, PC represents a stable and better infrastructure and buisness practice. 

As for the PSP... ever think that instead of artificially decreasing PSP software sales, piracy actually artificially INCREASED PSP sales because a lot of people who would of never bought PSP games bought PSPS.

1. I mean, I know tons of people with PSPs who don't even play PSP games on the system.  They hack em and use em as portable SNES/Sega Gensesis consoles.

2. Which, unless those PSPs were sold at a loss... again is helping the industry.   Some people who pirate 100% are hurting the industry sure, but that's a very small amount in comparison to most pirates who seem to be of the "I pirate some stuff and buy other" variety... and even then of the 100% pirate... most of them appear to be of the "couldn't afford it anyway" group.  In which case, nothing is being hurt really, and if anything it's maintaining that interest until they one day do have money.

3. It's why Microsoft's buisness policy with their PC software is "Don't pirate, but if you do, pirate us!" If you pirate MLB the Show for 3-4 years, when you get out of college and get a job, chances are you are going to buy a PS3 and also.... MLB the Show.

4. There are very very few "willing pirates."  That is people who just want stuff for free no matter what.  To people who are like that, well yeah, fuck em.  However, that's not really the vast majority of pirates, nor likely even the vast majority of people in this thread or anywhere.

1. and i know tons of people who cant afford to buy psp games but bought psps anyways coz they hacked their psps to hell and download all the games they want, pirate style

2. very true, as i said, i know a ton of people who bought psps and just priated the game. if the psps were not hacked to hell, none of them would have bought psps so, yeah no lost software sales. on the positive side, they made sony some money by buying the hardware.

3. maybe, mabye not. thee are a lot of bastards out there who, even though they can afford it, wont spend a dime on things that they can get free even if it means priateing shit. like, instead of going to the movies, they'd just go out and buy a bootleg dvd copy of the movie for 1/10 the price of  a movie ticket. their reasoning? why pay for anything full price when i can get it dirt cheap or beter yet, for free. the good thing this, this "ton of peope" is nothing compared to the volume of people who do not pirate.

4. there are many actually when just looking at the numbers. but when compared to the entire population of decent people, they barely matter.

1. Agreed

2. Agreed.

3.  Not statistically there aren't a lot.  The people you are talking about are statistically irrelvent even among pirates.  If you removed the option of piracy from the equation most people who pirated wouldn't buy the games still.  Some would, but ALSO some who bought the games due to them pirating wouldn't.  The majority of studies show that these two groups actually offset.  In a "piracy free" world, developers would not make any more money according to most government studies, and in some would actually make less.

4. There aren't many when looking at the numbers though... compared to pirates in general.  Not just "decent people".


Not sure I understand your third point.

One one hand you say people that pirate wouldn't buy the game then you say that due to pirating some people purchase the game so what exactly are you trying to imply ?

Those guys pirating think the game is shit so they wouldn't buy it anyway but somehow they tell their law abiding friends to purchase it because it kicks butt ? Can't have it both way ?

Or are you implying that after pirating games for a while people end up buying the later iteration of those games franchises ? (  seriously how many people are going to get something for free every year and suddenly out of the blue start paying for it ? They get a bad conscience suddenly ?)



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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Kasz216 said:
ils411 said:
Kasz216 said:


Piracy killing the PC?  People who actually know something about PC gaming say hello.  PC gaming is by far the healthiest gaming platform around.  While tons of cosnole studios are going out of buisenss... all of the PC guys are doing great.  The difference is really, PC represents a stable and better infrastructure and buisness practice. 

As for the PSP... ever think that instead of artificially decreasing PSP software sales, piracy actually artificially INCREASED PSP sales because a lot of people who would of never bought PSP games bought PSPS.

1. I mean, I know tons of people with PSPs who don't even play PSP games on the system.  They hack em and use em as portable SNES/Sega Gensesis consoles.

2. Which, unless those PSPs were sold at a loss... again is helping the industry.   Some people who pirate 100% are hurting the industry sure, but that's a very small amount in comparison to most pirates who seem to be of the "I pirate some stuff and buy other" variety... and even then of the 100% pirate... most of them appear to be of the "couldn't afford it anyway" group.  In which case, nothing is being hurt really, and if anything it's maintaining that interest until they one day do have money.

3. It's why Microsoft's buisness policy with their PC software is "Don't pirate, but if you do, pirate us!" If you pirate MLB the Show for 3-4 years, when you get out of college and get a job, chances are you are going to buy a PS3 and also.... MLB the Show.

4. There are very very few "willing pirates."  That is people who just want stuff for free no matter what.  To people who are like that, well yeah, fuck em.  However, that's not really the vast majority of pirates, nor likely even the vast majority of people in this thread or anywhere.

1. and i know tons of people who cant afford to buy psp games but bought psps anyways coz they hacked their psps to hell and download all the games they want, pirate style

2. very true, as i said, i know a ton of people who bought psps and just priated the game. if the psps were not hacked to hell, none of them would have bought psps so, yeah no lost software sales. on the positive side, they made sony some money by buying the hardware.

3. maybe, mabye not. thee are a lot of bastards out there who, even though they can afford it, wont spend a dime on things that they can get free even if it means priateing shit. like, instead of going to the movies, they'd just go out and buy a bootleg dvd copy of the movie for 1/10 the price of  a movie ticket. their reasoning? why pay for anything full price when i can get it dirt cheap or beter yet, for free. the good thing this, this "ton of peope" is nothing compared to the volume of people who do not pirate.

4. there are many actually when just looking at the numbers. but when compared to the entire population of decent people, they barely matter.

1. Agreed

2. Agreed.

3.  Not statistically there aren't a lot.  The people you are talking about are statistically irrelvent even among pirates.  If you removed the option of piracy from the equation most people who pirated wouldn't buy the games still.  Some would, but ALSO some who bought the games due to them pirating wouldn't.  The majority of studies show that these two groups actually offset.  In a "piracy free" world, developers would not make any more money according to most government studies, and in some would actually make less.

4. There aren't many when looking at the numbers though... compared to pirates in general.  Not just "decent people".

You are talking against facts.

The whole music industry sales in the world dropped to half in less than ten years due to people downloading MP3s. People simply don't buy CDs anymore and the digital sales from iTunes and Spotify can't offset that loss in income.

I used to buy tons of CDs in the 90's (250 CDs in total from 1991 until Napster got widespread in the year 2000, you do the math) but in the last decade I've downloaded all my music for free.

(same with movies, I have this epic collection of 7 or 8 DVDs but none of them is newer than 2002 as that's when my broadband got fast enough. This correlates with the clear downward trend of movie DVD sales in USA and elsewhere we've seen in the past few years).

Besides Kazs, you are not Swedish, you don't know the mentality here. People don't pay unnecessary money for media here when they can get it for free.



Ail said:
Kasz216 said:
Slimebeast said:
Kasz216 said:

 

Which, unless those PSPs were sold at a loss... again is helping the industry.   Some people who pirate 100% are hurting the industry sure, but that's a very small amount in comparison to most pirates who seem to be of the "I pirate some stuff and buy other" variety... and even then of the 100% pirate... most of them appear to be of the "couldn't afford it anyway" group.  In which case, nothing is being hurt really, and if anything it's maintaining that interest until they one day do have money.

What about all those millions and millions of people who pirate games, MP3s and movies just to spend their money on other things?

Typical example being the PC gamer who never buys a PC game but spends all that money on hardware instead (I am that guy).

Status quo for world economy perhaps, but it's money taken away from game developers.

You are in the vast minority and generally outweighed by pirates who aren't dicks. (No offense).

The money they lose by you is generally proven to be offset by other positive effects of piracy and other pirates... and in some cases more then offset.

What other effects that offset ?

Cause I'm not really sure a game like CoD BlackOps needs additional marketing after its 200 million$ tv campaign......

PS : what are these government studies you keep talking about ? ( a study by random university undegrad isn't a government study...)


Some of the ones I posted in this thread?  By government studies I mean... studies done by the governments.  Which include American, Japanese, Netherlands and England.  None could find ANY negative effect of piracy on the industry.  The "most" favoring non MPAA or other copyright group research project to your point of view is the American one which basically states "There are a lot of positives to piracy too, and we can't tell what the effects of piracy are because it's too hard."

Though even "random universities" hold more value and sway then studies directly paid for by one of the principle participants who have a direct outcome in exagerrating the truth.

Like... yourself.   You write software so your all to willing to buy into some errnonius studies.

Me, I don't... nor do I pirate.  Not even MP3s.

I simply go by the facts and credible research... it's the advantage of having an outside view of things.