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Sony does a good job of finding new talent and developers that have new ideas, Media Molecule and Heavy Rain for example. 

 

CGI-Quality said:

That's a narrow way of looking at it. If we go by just the PS3, 360, Wii, it leaves out the bigger picture. Sony published a nice chunk of titles long before the PS3 (and some truly memeorbale stuff at that). Sure, they don't sell like the Mario titles have this gen, but then again, Mario titles didn't sell like that before this gen either (unless they were bundled....i.e. the NES/SNES days).

In 2008, Guinness World Records listed Super Mario 3  as the best-selling video game to be sold separately from a system, and reported worldwide sales of over 18 million copies.  It might have changed since then though.



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foxtail said:

In 2008, Guinness World Records listed Super Mario 3  as the best-selling video game to be sold separately from a system, and reported worldwide sales of over 18 million copies.  It might have changed since then though.

Considering Mario Kart Wii hasn't been bundled (right?), I'd say that's a safe bet.



^I guess you're right.  Wii Fit, Wii Play, New Super Mario Bros and Mario Kart Wii are all over 21 million.  Could be any one of these.



^..Forgot about the Red Wii New Mario bundle, guess it's between Mario Kart Wii and Wii Fit then.



aavidbacon said:
NiKKoM said:

so... how much money did they make?


That´s the big question...

I personally think that Sony was kind of forced to do that, in order to diferentiate itself.  Nintendo doesn´t need to get new IPs. If I have a brand wich sells at least 10 mil copies everytime it´s on the cover of a game, why bother?

And MS strategy seems to rely on their popularity in US, granted by Halo, LIve and now, it seems, Kinect. That´s why they cut so many studios, they probably thought they were spending too much for little gain.

While Sony needs new IPs to try and atract gamers looking for something new. I just think this is the best scenario for us gamers. Who can complain about Heavy Rain, Uncharted, infamous, LBP and other great new IPs we got this gen?

I think its SONY style of doing things.

Us gamers like the same  thing,but we need to get into new things thats what sony is for.



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foxtail said:

Sony does a good job of finding new talent and developers that have new ideas, Media Molecule and Heavy Rain for example. 

 

CGI-Quality said:

That's a narrow way of looking at it. If we go by just the PS3, 360, Wii, it leaves out the bigger picture. Sony published a nice chunk of titles long before the PS3 (and some truly memeorbale stuff at that). Sure, they don't sell like the Mario titles have this gen, but then again, Mario titles didn't sell like that before this gen either (unless they were bundled....i.e. the NES/SNES days).

In 2008, Guinness World Records listed Super Mario 3  as the best-selling video game to be sold separately from a system, and reported worldwide sales of over 18 million copies.  It might have changed since then though.


was san andreas bundled, that game isn't far off beating that. what is it on 16 so million for the PS2 and it pulled 60k an week in emeaa late last year and will be sure to repeat it this year, will that take number one spot 



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mchaza said:

Looking at SONY they are one of the few if not only publisher who invests the most in New crazy ip's. There is no other publisher that doesn't drive its franchises to the ground or forces games to be released unfinsihed or didn't get enough time. 

looking at SONY they have 3 US studios (naughty dog, insomanic and Sucker punch) who have created an new franchise for sony's consoles each generation (sucker punch only ps2-ps3). they funded heavy rain, mag and modnations for 2010 alone which are out there titles. 

They also have an wide range of titles being published that covers an wide range of genres and on top of releasing world wide releases they still fund japanese only games for there home audience. 

Why does it seem that SONY is getting everything right in games publishing while the others are getting stuff wrong. Sure sony has the more money but why does MS have such small 1st party when they have plently of money to buy up so many studios and have relied on 3rd party contacts when they have such dedicated fanboy's that would buy anything good or bad thats exclusive (fable 3). Even Nitendo is very guilty of re re re releasing games over and over but have been at least bringing out new innoviative titles. 

Then there is the 3rd Party who seem to make so many bad mistakes: bleeding franchises to death , funding bad games choices, making bad investments and not pushing new ips and have been relieing on old franchises. 

Now i am not being an fanboy and saying sony is prefect sure they have made there fair share of mistakes in the publishing deparment but it seems that its nothing to there rights and now look. There 1st party 2011 destroy's the others 2 and they are all setting up to being great games. 

you would think publishers would start and copy sony when really sony started from nothing 15 years ago to an publishing powerhouse. 

Err, so Sony releasing or soon to release like, 4 Uncharted games since 2007,  plus a movie, or 4 Killzone titles since 2008 (liberation, 2, 3, and NGP in case you're wondering) isn't driving them into the ground?

That's more frequent than Microsoft releases Halo titles, easily, yet MS is the one often criticized for milking Halo because they put out one spinoff title in a totally different genre (Wars) and 2 main Halo titles since 2005? Lets say the rumor of Halo CE remake this fall is even true (it probably is), that still puts them well behind the pace of Sony with KZ and UC.

 

Overall I dont look at Sony and think they have a great library. Most of their games dont interest me, or just look average and uninspired (such titles include Motorstorm, Socom, LBP, iNfamous,etc). Uncharted 2 I honestly didn't like much, especially if you take away the graphics. Killzone I consider a solid, but not great, franchise.

I would say Microsoft just with only the Halo and Gears series alone is a better publisher to my tastes, and EA is another, with Crysis 2, Bulletstorm, and Battlefield series all drawing interest from me, as well as a deep and varied slate of other titles.



Mr Khan said:

Their lopsided support of PS3 over PSP (and apparently over NGP, if the studio assigned to the NGP Killzone is any indication) is worthy of further discussion when assessing Sony's strengths and weaknesses as a publisher. They have done a good job of conceiving moderately (in sales terms) successful new IPs.


This is key, and something that tends to get skirted over.  With Nintendo by comparison, it's hard to really say which platform they better support in terms of DS or Wii. 

Nintendo puts their top teams on both their handheld and home consoles, while Sony tends to put just the top teams on their home console.  3DS vs NGP 1st party support is actually pretty telling so far, Nintendo has the home console teams doing handheld iterations of franchises while Sony has mainly outsourced and lower tier studios on catalogue franchises...

 

Nintendo

  • Pilotwings Resort by EAD2 (developed Wii Sports Resort)
  • Mario Kart by EAD1 (developed Mario Kart DS / Wii)
  • Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D by EAD3 (developed Twilight Princess / Skyward Sword)
  • Paper Mario by Intelligent Systems (developed Paper Mario 1-2, Super Paper Mario)
  • Kid Icarus Uprising by Project Sora (developed SSBB)

Sony

  • Uncharted Portable by Sony Bend (not Naughty Dog Software)
  • Resistance by Nihilstic Software (not Insomniac Games)
  • Killzone by Studio Cambridge (not Guerilla Games)
  • LittleBig Planet by Studio Cambridge (not Media Molecule)
  • Hot Shots Golf Next by Clap Hanz (developed HSG Out of Bounds)
  • WipEout by Studio Liverpool (developed WipEout HD)


fallen said:

Err, so Sony releasing or soon to release like, 4 Uncharted games since 2007,  plus a movie, or 4 Killzone titles since 2008 (liberation, 2, 3, and NGP in case you're wondering) isn't driving them into the ground?

That's more frequent than Microsoft releases Halo titles, easily, yet MS is the one often criticized for milking Halo because they put out one spinoff title in a totally different genre (Wars) and 2 main Halo titles since 2005? Lets say the rumor of Halo CE remake this fall is even true (it probably is), that still puts them well behind the pace of Sony with KZ and UC.

 

Overall I dont look at Sony and think they have a great library. Most of their games dont interest me, or just look average and uninspired (such titles include Motorstorm, Socom, LBP, iNfamous,etc). Uncharted 2 I honestly didn't like much, especially if you take away the graphics. Killzone I consider a solid, but not great, franchise.

I would say Microsoft just with only the Halo and Gears series alone is a better publisher to my tastes, and EA is another, with Crysis 2, Bulletstorm, and Battlefield series all drawing interest from me, as well as a deep and varied slate of other titles.

Now lets be fair shall we and look at times scales. Killzone was out in 2004, Liberation was out in 2006 (on a handheld), Killzone 2 out in 2009, Killzone 3 isn't out yet and the NGP title won't be out until the console is and beyond, whenever that is... so currently we have had 1 main game released 2 years ago and 1 spin off from nigh on 5 years ago and 1 sequal about to be released.

Uncharted would have been indevelopment for a few years, they released the first then on a 2 year cycle released the others, well 1 infact because the other isn't out yet, it's 8 months away.

In the case of Halo, the first 3 games were well spread out, one development team on them after all. Then in 2009 and 2010 MS release 3 games. Although none are planned for the future at this very moment (they will be).

So ignoring the future games and going back say to when Halo 3 was released (this generation of games) we've had 4 Halo games, 1 Killzone and 2 Uncharted.

But hey, none of these are close to Activisions Call Of Duty games which have had...oh wait...4, nevermind.



Hmm, pie.

fallen said:

Err, so Sony releasing or soon to release like, 4 Uncharted games since 2007,  plus a movie, or 4 Killzone titles since 2008 (liberation, 2, 3, and NGP in case you're wondering) isn't driving them into the ground?

That's more frequent than Microsoft releases Halo titles, easily, yet MS is the one often criticized for milking Halo because they put out one spinoff title in a totally different genre (Wars) and 2 main Halo titles since 2005? Lets say the rumor of Halo CE remake this fall is even true (it probably is), that still puts them well behind the pace of Sony with KZ and UC.

 

Overall I dont look at Sony and think they have a great library. Most of their games dont interest me, or just look average and uninspired (such titles include Motorstorm, Socom, LBP, iNfamous,etc). Uncharted 2 I honestly didn't like much, especially if you take away the graphics. Killzone I consider a solid, but not great, franchise.

I would say Microsoft just with only the Halo and Gears series alone is a better publisher to my tastes, and EA is another, with Crysis 2, Bulletstorm, and Battlefield series all drawing interest from me, as well as a deep and varied slate of other titles.


When is NGP releasing again?

How many killzone fans have all the killzone games? I don't have liberation or killzone 1. When it comes to the PS3 itself, Sony does the least milking out of the three.

Nintendo : Lacks genres. Simple. Platformer, rpgs, and that's it. No action, no tpses, nothing. You may get once in a generation a unique title, but that's more luck than intention.

MS: Has more genres than nintendo but lacks frachises. Which tends to milking, especially of Halo's brand name.

Sony: Has more genres, more franchises than MS (maybe less than nintendo). You found infamous boring? Great, that must mean its bad? no?

Here's the thing with sony, if you don't like a franchise, you are not forced to like it. If I don't like platformers it would make little sense for me to get a wii. If I don't like halo or fpses it would make little sense for me to get a 360. 

What about the PS3? If I don't like LBP, Ratchet and Clank, I can get it for Infamous, Yakuza 3. If I don't like Infamous, I can get it for Uncharted and God of War. I don't like that either? Fine, I will get it for GT and motorstorm. I don't like racing games? OK, I will get it for Demon's Souls!

Don't like Action rpgs either? Get it for Atelier Rorona or another JRPG. Don't like jrpgs? Get it for an adventure game like Heavy Rain. Don't like good stories? Well get it for MGS 4! Don't like stealth? Get it for FPSes like resistance and killzone.

You should get the point I am trying to make here by now. If not, well, then I can't really say much.