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mrstickball said:
....And it's the typical group of pro-PS3 owners that make absurd claims that the PS3 only dropped $100, that the PS3 is going to double sales this year, that 07 was the X360's best year and won't do better next year, ect, ect, ect.

What exactly are the reasons the PS3 will do so great, and the X360 do so bad? The X360 has the same quality lineup in 2008 as the PS3. The X360 has the advantage of easily being able to drop the price atleast $50 next year, whereas the PS3 does not.

Care to post something insightful that will justify the PS3 selling 10m+ units next year?

I did... the $400 price point and the 2008 game lineup (plus all the 2007 games too, of course). I see those 2 factors enough to increase sales by at least 3M.

I personally know a lot of 360 users that refuse to buy a PS3 until the day either MGS4 or LBP come out. 



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Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

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FJ-Warez said:
URNotE said:
mrstickball said:
....And it's the typical group of pro-PS3 owners that make absurd claims that the PS3 only dropped $100, that the PS3 is going to double sales this year, that 07 was the X360's best year and won't do better next year, ect, ect, ect.

What exactly are the reasons the PS3 will do so great, and the X360 do so bad? The X360 has the same quality lineup in 2008 as the PS3. The X360 has the advantage of easily being able to drop the price atleast $50 next year, whereas the PS3 does not.

Care to post something insightful that will justify the PS3 selling 10m+ units next year?

this is coming from the same group of people that said the ps3 wouldnt sell 7 million this year... oh look its already at 8 mil staring 9 in the face..... if it sold 8 mil this year what makes anyone think it cant reach 15 or 16 next year which i might remind you the 360 is at right now...


Yeap, you are right, the PS3 already past the 7 million, but with two price cuts, 4 models, and a couple of packs, nobody took this in account in january... 

 

edit: Nobody was expecting this from sony in the first year... 


Right, everyone expect Sony to continue to be retarded. Too bad they woke up on time. If they are not retarded next year they will sell way more than 10M in 2008. They surely have the game line up to do it and I bet a new price cut mid-2008.

 



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

krik said:
FJ-Warez said:
URNotE said:
mrstickball said:
....And it's the typical group of pro-PS3 owners that make absurd claims that the PS3 only dropped $100, that the PS3 is going to double sales this year, that 07 was the X360's best year and won't do better next year, ect, ect, ect.

What exactly are the reasons the PS3 will do so great, and the X360 do so bad? The X360 has the same quality lineup in 2008 as the PS3. The X360 has the advantage of easily being able to drop the price atleast $50 next year, whereas the PS3 does not.

Care to post something insightful that will justify the PS3 selling 10m+ units next year?

this is coming from the same group of people that said the ps3 wouldnt sell 7 million this year... oh look its already at 8 mil staring 9 in the face..... if it sold 8 mil this year what makes anyone think it cant reach 15 or 16 next year which i might remind you the 360 is at right now...


Yeap, you are right, the PS3 already past the 7 million, but with two price cuts, 4 models, and a couple of packs, nobody took this in account in january... 

 

edit: Nobody was expecting this from sony in the first year... 


Right, everyone expect Sony to continue to be retarded. Too bad they woke up on time. If they are not retarded next year they will sell way more than 10M in 2008. They surely have the game line up to do it and I bet a new price cut mid-2008.

 


Realistically, right now Sony is losing about as much on the 40GB and 80GB PS3 as they were losing on the 20GB and 60GB PS3 systems at launch; there may be some savings but they are far from breaking even. Any further price reductions in the next 12 months will potentially return them to this level of losses and it will become less and less likely that they will break even on the entire generation; unless Sony becomes desperate, I wouldn't expect a price reduction in 2008.



krik said:
FJ-Warez said:
 

Yeap, you are right, the PS3 already past the 7 million, but with two price cuts, 4 models, and a couple of packs, nobody took this in account in january...

 

edit: Nobody was expecting this from sony in the first year...


Right, everyone expect Sony to continue to be retarded. Too bad they woke up on time. If they are not retarded next year they will sell way more than 10M in 2008. They surely have the game line up to do it and I bet a new price cut mid-2008.

 


I think you are missing the point, Sony only achieved this level of "success" making big sacrifices, another price cut will be retarded, but if you wanna keep going with this, well you are alone...



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HappySqurriel said:
krik said:
FJ-Warez said:
URNotE said:
mrstickball said:
....And it's the typical group of pro-PS3 owners that make absurd claims that the PS3 only dropped $100, that the PS3 is going to double sales this year, that 07 was the X360's best year and won't do better next year, ect, ect, ect.

What exactly are the reasons the PS3 will do so great, and the X360 do so bad? The X360 has the same quality lineup in 2008 as the PS3. The X360 has the advantage of easily being able to drop the price atleast $50 next year, whereas the PS3 does not.

Care to post something insightful that will justify the PS3 selling 10m+ units next year?

this is coming from the same group of people that said the ps3 wouldnt sell 7 million this year... oh look its already at 8 mil staring 9 in the face..... if it sold 8 mil this year what makes anyone think it cant reach 15 or 16 next year which i might remind you the 360 is at right now...


Yeap, you are right, the PS3 already past the 7 million, but with two price cuts, 4 models, and a couple of packs, nobody took this in account in january... 

 

edit: Nobody was expecting this from sony in the first year... 


Right, everyone expect Sony to continue to be retarded. Too bad they woke up on time. If they are not retarded next year they will sell way more than 10M in 2008. They surely have the game line up to do it and I bet a new price cut mid-2008.

 


Realistically, right now Sony is losing about as much on the 40GB and 80GB PS3 as they were losing on the 20GB and 60GB PS3 systems at launch; there may be some savings but they are far from breaking even. Any further price reductions in the next 12 months will potentially return them to this level of losses and it will become less and less likely that they will break even on the entire generation; unless Sony becomes desperate, I wouldn't expect a price reduction in 2008.


i doubt they are losing as much when first release the esrp was estimated to be 853 last time i checked it was down to 600 something they will reduce costs the same way MS did in 07 come on people same strategies for both companies



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Oh hell no. The 360 had the best lineup this year by far! While the PS3 definitely got some great games, its lineup was completely overshadowed. I can't believe you said that.



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URNotE said:
HappySqurriel said:
krik said:
FJ-Warez said:
URNotE said:
mrstickball said:
....And it's the typical group of pro-PS3 owners that make absurd claims that the PS3 only dropped $100, that the PS3 is going to double sales this year, that 07 was the X360's best year and won't do better next year, ect, ect, ect.

What exactly are the reasons the PS3 will do so great, and the X360 do so bad? The X360 has the same quality lineup in 2008 as the PS3. The X360 has the advantage of easily being able to drop the price atleast $50 next year, whereas the PS3 does not.

Care to post something insightful that will justify the PS3 selling 10m+ units next year?

this is coming from the same group of people that said the ps3 wouldnt sell 7 million this year... oh look its already at 8 mil staring 9 in the face..... if it sold 8 mil this year what makes anyone think it cant reach 15 or 16 next year which i might remind you the 360 is at right now...


Yeap, you are right, the PS3 already past the 7 million, but with two price cuts, 4 models, and a couple of packs, nobody took this in account in january... 

 

edit: Nobody was expecting this from sony in the first year... 


Right, everyone expect Sony to continue to be retarded. Too bad they woke up on time. If they are not retarded next year they will sell way more than 10M in 2008. They surely have the game line up to do it and I bet a new price cut mid-2008.

 


Realistically, right now Sony is losing about as much on the 40GB and 80GB PS3 as they were losing on the 20GB and 60GB PS3 systems at launch; there may be some savings but they are far from breaking even. Any further price reductions in the next 12 months will potentially return them to this level of losses and it will become less and less likely that they will break even on the entire generation; unless Sony becomes desperate, I wouldn't expect a price reduction in 2008.


i doubt they are losing as much when first release the esrp was estimated to be 853 last time i checked it was down to 600 something they will reduce costs the same way MS did in 07 come on people same strategies for both companies


We can't know for sure, but nothing Sony has changed when they introduced the 40GB and 80GB models actually had much of an impact on any of the most expensive components in the PS3; the Blu-Ray drive, Hard-Drive, Cell and RSX are easily far more expensive than all other components combined. With the exception of the Hard-Drive, these components will come down in price with time but are (likely) not going to be inexpensive enough to justify a $400 price yet; certainly a 65nm process helps, but that will only reduce the physical cost of the Cell and RSX by half but they will still have to pay their licencing fee on these processors which could be anywhere from $20 to $50 per processor produced.




We can't know for sure, but nothing Sony has changed when they introduced the 40GB and 80GB models actually had much of an impact on any of the most expensive components in the PS3; the Blu-Ray drive, Hard-Drive, Cell and RSX are easily far more expensive than all other components combined. With the exception of the Hard-Drive, these components will come down in price with time but are (likely) not going to be inexpensive enough to justify a $400 price yet; certainly a 65nm process helps, but that will only reduce the physical cost of the Cell and RSX by half but they will still have to pay their licencing fee on these processors which could be anywhere from $20 to $50 per processor produced.


 Sony is now mass producing blu-ray lasers so the blu-ray is much cheaper now then last year. When the PS3 come out over 50% of all blu-ray lasers where trash. They improved the process and now production is as good as any other optical reader and we all know how cheap they become to produce when mass production is reached. Who would believe a dual layer DVD-/+RW drive would cost $40 now?

Also, I'm pretty sure Sony is buying the 65nm processors from IBM. They do not have a 65mn facility to make them, that is why they sold the 90ns facility to Toshiba.

Overall I believe Sony is probably close to breaking even on the 80Gb and they might be loosing a little over $50 on each 40Gb.

But again, I have no inside information so we will have to see when they release their earnings report in January. 



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M

 

Perception is a two sided coin, and every console develops a perception within its first year. A console develops a great reputation or a poor reputation. Unfortunately the PS3 had to cement a reputation against one console with a year long head start, and against the phenomena that is the Wii. The result its reputation has suffered greatly.

Perhaps it is unjust, but it is often a immutable fact a reputation once earned is hard to change. Nintendo got branded kiddie for two generations solid. The 360 is labeled the FPS machine. The PS3 is labeled the magnificent failure. Your first year like virginity once gone can never truly be recovered. Forever it taints consumer opinion.

Sony and their PS3 are not done struggling yet, and they have plundered the cupboards bare just to survive this year. When you see a console slash its price by a third, offer massive movie pack ins, offer game bundles, and do hardware reconfigurations on the fly. Well you cannot fault the effort that has brought them this far, but realistically you have to accept there is nothing left.

Which is something every poster in this thread has forgotten Sony has primed PS3 sales through a non stop glut of stunts. One after another allowing them to spike sales with some new pitch be it a sale. The fear of losing backwards compatibility in your PS3. The movie offers seem less appealing when you realize high definition formats are languishing in stalemate. They can only offer so many free games before developers grow upset with lost sales, and so forth.

How can Sony keep the sales up, or generate spikes as was the order of business this year if they have effectively backed themselves into a corner. Not only that but counter the negative impression the market has developed towards their product. How many gamers opt to buy into the losing platform. Intelligent gamers know the lead platform gets more support. They know the last place platform isn't going to get the best in support. Simple intelligence tells you to bet on a winner rather then the longshot if you want the better return.

I might be the only one in this thread to say this, and I might get a lot of grief for it. However I must say it I actually expect the PS3 to languish next year more so then this year. The market has made its decision, and it decided the PS3 was going to be a distant third place player this generation. They obtained no level of dominance in any market, and honestly the lineup is just too late in the game to change the outcome. I have seen consoles turn on strong for their second years only to fall on deaf ears. A few good games are not going to change gamer opinion of this console. The longer it takes for those games to arrive the worse the result.

Finally both Nintendo and Microsoft leave this year in a far better position to capitalize on their gains. Microsoft has a lot more room financially to work in. They can make fantastic strides in lowering the price of their machine, or use their new liquid assets to secure a mountain of exclusive games. Nintendo likewise has a lot of liquid assets to invest in game development, and to secure exclusive games. Both saw a hot holiday season in North America, and both dominated the media. The Nintendo hype was fantastic, and Microsoft has done a stellar job owning year end rewards.

Nintendo and Microsoft will leave this year having made a point, and having won a lot of converts. That really isn't the case for Sony. All they managed to do was survive, and honestly it took everything they had to do so. Gamers are going to be very reluctant to jump onto the PS3 platform especially considering the expensive risk that it is. Especially once supplies of the Wii are freed up, and the 360 is making a run towards a more affordable price.

Just my two cents.



Dodece said:
Perception is a two sided coin, and every console develops a perception within its first year. A console develops a great reputation or a poor reputation. Unfortunately the PS3 had to cement a reputation against one console with a year long head start, and against the phenomena that is the Wii. The result its reputation has suffered greatly.

Perhaps it is unjust, but it is often a immutable fact a reputation once earned is hard to change. Nintendo got branded kiddie for two generations solid. The 360 is labeled the FPS machine. The PS3 is labeled the magnificent failure. Your first year like virginity once gone can never truly be recovered. Forever it taints consumer opinion.

Sony and their PS3 are not done struggling yet, and they have plundered the cupboards bare just to survive this year. When you see a console slash its price by a third, offer massive movie pack ins, offer game bundles, and do hardware reconfigurations on the fly. Well you cannot fault the effort that has brought them this far, but realistically you have to accept there is nothing left.

Which is something every poster in this thread has forgotten Sony has primed PS3 sales through a non stop glut of stunts. One after another allowing them to spike sales with some new pitch be it a sale. The fear of losing backwards compatibility in your PS3. The movie offers seem less appealing when you realize high definition formats are languishing in stalemate. They can only offer so many free games before developers grow upset with lost sales, and so forth.

How can Sony keep the sales up, or generate spikes as was the order of business this year if they have effectively backed themselves into a corner. Not only that but counter the negative impression the market has developed towards their product. How many gamers opt to buy into the losing platform. Intelligent gamers know the lead platform gets more support. They know the last place platform isn't going to get the best in support. Simple intelligence tells you to bet on a winner rather then the longshot if you want the better return.

I might be the only one in this thread to say this, and I might get a lot of grief for it. However I must say it I actually expect the PS3 to languish next year more so then this year. The market has made its decision, and it decided the PS3 was going to be a distant third place player this generation. They obtained no level of dominance in any market, and honestly the lineup is just too late in the game to change the outcome. I have seen consoles turn on strong for their second years only to fall on deaf ears. A few good games are not going to change gamer opinion of this console. The longer it takes for those games to arrive the worse the result.

Finally both Nintendo and Microsoft leave this year in a far better position to capitalize on their gains. Microsoft has a lot more room financially to work in. They can make fantastic strides in lowering the price of their machine, or use their new liquid assets to secure a mountain of exclusive games. Nintendo likewise has a lot of liquid assets to invest in game development, and to secure exclusive games. Both saw a hot holiday season in North America, and both dominated the media. The Nintendo hype was fantastic, and Microsoft has done a stellar job owning year end rewards.

Nintendo and Microsoft will leave this year having made a point, and having won a lot of converts. That really isn't the case for Sony. All they managed to do was survive, and honestly it took everything they had to do so. Gamers are going to be very reluctant to jump onto the PS3 platform especially considering the expensive risk that it is. Especially once supplies of the Wii are freed up, and the 360 is making a run towards a more affordable price.

Just my two cents.

 Right, totally unlike MS. MS didn't ever bundle 2 games with a console or even release a $280 console.

 /endsarcasm

Sony had to do what they could to decrease the price and make it more appealing. They started on the wrong foot but they managed to come around strong. If they keep their strong position I have no doubts they will beat 360 next year... by a lot.



PSN ID: krik

Optimistic predictions for 2008 (Feb 5 2008): Wii = 20M, PS3 = 14M, X360 = 9.5M